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The insufferable gobshite Emily Thornberry ditched as Attorney General. Nice one 👍

bosstrabs What the fuck has happened to Ed Miliband?

He’s more Indian than Rhouses!

He looks like Four Tet:

    That first speech was pretty good… ha. Promising I suppose.

    Does Labour getting voted in after ages mean significant changes for any of you (socially or economically)?

    I sometimes wonder if I my life would change at all if BJP was voted out and Congress came back in here in India.

      Good to see Peter Kyle in the cabinet. A genuinely good and decent man with a history of proper work outside of politics.

      rhouses I’m not sure. I’m pretty confused about the health stuff and what Wes is actually going to do.

      rhouses I suspect people will have slightly less pay each month as taxes increase, but difficult to say if that will be really that noticeable. All depends on your earnings I suppose.

      They’ve also promised to speed up the pace of house building, which if they do will have big social impact. However I feel they would need to be in power for 10-15 years in a row for that to actually come to fruition, and they won’t get that long IMO.

      • Amps replied to this.

        rhouses Far too early to tell. First budget will be more instructive than a paper thin manifesto.

        We’ve got to be optimistic but I doubt we’ll see hardly any change for at least 5-10 years realistically. To rebuild public services alone will be a massive task. After the damage which was caused by austerity. I suspect they will have to borrow massive amounts of money if they don’t get the growth they’re projected which in turn will raise taxes. I still to understand how the Tories would have done it buy cutting taxes.

          Dubman the currency printer is ready and primed, just need those interest rates to start coming down

            Dubman I still to understand how the Tories would have done it buy cutting taxes.

            Essentially, Truss’ vision was to put more money into the pockets of the highest earners to encourage more investment and growth. The Tories have been fixated for years on turning the UK into a low tax, no red tape, high investment hub.

            She was doing that at a time when the Central Bank was trying to take money out of the economy in response to soaring energy costs.

            Mortgage lenders feared the BOE would mean interest rates would shoot up for borrowing and lenders pulled their normal rates.

            It really is amazing people still believe in trickle down. The economy only benefits from tax cuts to the poor, because they spend every extra penny they get. Rich people sit on it. It doesn’t get spent on the market.

              Homegrove Rich people sit on it. It doesn’t get spent on the market.

              Exactly.

              Hursty the currency printer is ready and primed, just need those interest rates to start coming down

              We’re going to be awash with FIAT currency

              Who is the Minister for Bants? Would @Smallman1 take the gig if offered it, in a Labour government?

              gcw They’ve also promised to speed up the pace of house building, which if they do will have big social impact. However I feel they would need to be in power for 10-15 years in a row for that to actually come to fruition, and they won’t get that long IMO.

              They need to go after the housing industry full stop. Non of them are interested in building social / affordable housing, and they all own huge landbanks that they do fuck all with.

                Amps
                I was listening to a housing phone in a few months back. I guy phoned up who worked for a council housing department. He said one problems is that when they sell off a house to a tennant who’s been there for a while the discount they give means they don’t get enough money back to replace it to build a new house.

                • Amps replied to this.

                  Why not just have a Government funded housing building operation. Stop outsourcing the work to building firms / contractors.

                  Maybe buy up a big building firm as it goes bust and then the Government takes over ownership and builds the houses.

                  Not fucking rocket science is it?

                  • Amps replied to this.

                    When did we stop building counsel estates in this country. I was bought up on one and it was excellent. Sure it had it’s faults but there was no trouble. And everyone just got along with each other. I went back to my old estate a few years ago and had a walk around. Got quite emotional as it bought back loads of happy memories from my childhood.Most of it is all private housing now. And it just seemed to have lost its community spirit.

                      Did you keep a kestrel as well dubs?

                        Old-Dutch That would be socialism. And we can’t have that. Schemes like what you have just described wouldn’t enrich the middle classes in any way shape or form. We can’t allow that kind of thinking.

                        Dubman Yes. We called him bazza

                        Does he know Dazza? Any holidays abroad?

                        Dubman I can believe that. The right to buy was a fuckin short sighted Tory policy.

                          Amps
                          If only they’d replaced them one for one when it first started when land building them was much cheaper.

                          The government, via the DLUHC, give millions in grant funding to housing associations each year. It’s not enough, and it’s way lower than it used to be, but it is something.

                          Houses are being built. My place is just about to sign off on a deal for a 200 house estate in Bucks, of which 25% will be social housing aka the old style council housing of yesteryear. They will be amazing properties as well. The best energy efficiency, lovely area, all for around £150 a week- which HB will pay for if you aren’t in work

                            gcw They will be amazing properties as well. The best energy efficiency, lovely area, all for around £150 a week- which HB will pay for if you aren’t in work

                            I’m massively all in for affordable housing, but not massively keen on the bolded.

                            Hopefully a move in the right direction to get people on the ladder

                            I read recently that Blackstone own over 200k apartments in Berlin and are one of the culprits in a technical game of property investment that is driving up rental prices globally. Anything that dents that direction is a good thing.

                            Old-Dutch Blackstone Inc was who I read about, Dutchy. They’re some kind of private equity fund who are hoovering up real estate all over the world. Blackrock are another crowd who are at it. It seems to be a fail safe way to invest your billions.

                            Ah apologies - hadn’t heard of Blackstone.

                            Probably the same outfit.

                            Yep

                            BlackRock and The Blackstone Group are often confused as they share similar names and origins. Founded in 1985, both companies fell under an umbrella company called Blackstone Financial Management, a mergers and acquisitions company. In 1988, BlackRock separated from the parent company and focused on risk management.

                            • LT42 replied to this.

                              Along_the_Wire
                              Maybe we were very lucky. We had an apple orchard behind our house and we had a huge tree house in which all parts of the estate help build. Probably the best part was the football matches we used to play against other parts of the estate. But now all the big trees have gone lots of the front garden are all fenced off.