Starmer (UK is Jaded thread)

Hursty

Homegrove it definitely seems to work well in Nordic countries where populations are low and governments are rich, take Norway for example with their sovereign wealth fund that makes more in interest than the government spends each year.

Do you think the UK with a diverse population of 70 million in such a small country could have the same system?

RichM

Hursty just need to knock off 30m people and we could give it a go! Although our govt would still fuck it up

alistair

Hursty The elephant in the room. +500k net annual immigration

Amps

Hursty Norway for example with their sovereign wealth fund that makes more in interest than the government spends each year.

If we hadn’t had so much of our wealth sold of by the capitalists we too would have the same deep pockets. If you sell off:

British Aerospace
British Gas
Britoil
British Telecom
British Steel
British Petroleum
British Airways
British Rail
Powergen
National Power
The water companies
Royal Mail
Rolls Royce
Jaguar…

…and anything else that isn’t screwed down, you have less income. The state of Britain at the moment is a direct consequence of capitalism / neoliberalism. Don’t shout about how ‘bad it could be under socialism’ when it’s complete dog shit under capitalists.

benson

alistair it’s not migration. It’s world population growth. The constant need for growth. Everything must grow.

Amps

Hursty what’s the alternative to capitalism Amps?

Love how this is written like a ‘gotcha’, like their isn’t possibly an alternative. You’ll be telling me it’s too hard to tax rich people next.

Mad_Cyril

Amps Love how this is written like a ‘gotcha

Standard

Hursty

Amps I’m genuinely interested, your the one spouting off about “us lot” killing children and burning forests

So the solution is to tax the rich, how do we define the rich?

Amps

benson The constant need for growth. Everything must grow.

Your sarcasm is too subtle here, he’ll give it the thumbs up and agree with you.

alistair

Amps you’re all talk. The closest you get to a protest let alone direct action is posting tedious shite on a clubbing site

Amps

By the way, all you lot on the right should be popping the champagne corks, not arguing with me, you have basically won… there is no credible socialist message in this country for anyone to get behind. You own the media and you have a useless socialist party in power who are happy to keep the status quo. Plus, the far right, which gets you ever so excited, is growing in popularity daily. Oh, and you got the Brexit you wanted so much too. It’s gonna be uninterrupted snooker coverage for everyone!

RichM

Amps I’m glad to hear the snooker won’t be interrupted again, that was annoying. So feels like capitalism winning has been worthwhile.

whatever

Amps It’s gonna be uninterrupted snooker coverage for everyone!

Good. Always breaks my concentration when I’m white-knuckling a four-hour afternoon session.

bosstrabs

Maybe if the Unions associated with these industries hadn’t absolutely taken the piss in the 70s, there wouldn’t have been electoral support for Thatcher’s programme of privatisation.

Have you thought about that?

RichM

Hursty good looking, intelligent, loves Thai bbq and tops off prog

Amps

Hursty how do we define the rich?

Lollers, no idea, it’s ‘too difficult’, clearly beyond the capabilities of man.

Mad_Cyril

RichM good looking, intelligent, loves Thai bbq and tops off prog

A lol for Rich

Homegrove

alistair I’ve become too nihilist to think anything will ever change, because people devoid of empathy will always rise on top. So the best we can do is try and make right wing folk feel bad about their voting choices.

Amps

alistair The closest you get to a protest let alone direct action is posting tedious shite on a clubbing site

Incorrect.

alistair

Homegrove The system doesn’t allow for anything radical either on the right or left. Scaring the bond markets is strictly verboten.

Mad_Cyril

whatever 👋

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