Starmer (UK is Jaded thread)

benson

Dubman Listened to the interview on R4 yesterday morning and Nick Robinson said to the Ofwat guy: ‘could you please translate that into plain human for us?’

It is absolutely scandalous the way the VC / big fund vuktures have extracted money from the water companies. They must be absolutely laughing at us

Dubman

benson
Listened to some of that as well.

hugopal

Smallman1 Aswad > Ofwat

Asswad is what Ed has on a Sat morning after a night with Darren.

Old-Dutch

Don’t turn around, if you don’t want to see your arse breaking

Millsy

Old-Dutch 😂 wonderful

Smallman1

Old-Dutch Don’t turn around, if you don’t want to see your arse breaking

Lol!

Amps

Hursty The house builders won’t get involved if the spec is too tricky or too expensive. Or they will build shite and just lie, and you end up with another Grenfell / national cladding issue. Much better that the government did it themselves.

Mad_Cyril

Amps Much better that the government did it themselves.

Public sector major programmes always deliver 👀

alistair

Mad_Cyril I mean what could possibly go wrong.

Amps

Mad_Cyril Depends who’s running the show, but, so far, it looks like we have some adults in charge for the next few years.

LT42

alistair better to leave it to people who know Alistair and leave emotion out of it

alistair

LT42 Wise words LT

hugopal

LT42 better to leave it to people who know Alistair and leave emotion out of it

Alistair knows a lot of housebuilders?

Mad_Cyril

Amps it looks like we have some adults in charge for the next few years.

I don’t disagree with this bit, but who’s in charge is only relevant from a policy perspective.

Major infrastructure programmes are, on the whole, run by apolitical civil servants, not politicians.

The last Labour Government went big on PFI’s, specifically to take the risk of funding and running major programmes out of the public sector.

benson

Mad_Cyril I thought it was to take the capital cost off the public sector books rather than offload risk. Look at the shit show that Carillion left behind.

And that looks like a mere amouse bouche in terms of amounts compared to thames water. Same MO though:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/carillion-collapse-what-went-wrong/

Amps

Mad_Cyril Major infrastructure programmes are, on the whole, run by apolitical civil servants, not politicians.

Yes and no… If you look at HS2, that has failed due to the cost over run from inflated comedy contracts. Contracts that the politicians agreed to, knowing they would fail; they were once again just getting their friends rich. A different government probably gets HS2 to Manchester and Leeds for half the price.

Old-Dutch

Nowt will change. Unfortunately

Mad_Cyril

Old-Dutch
The intent behind policy will definitely change, a lot more sceptical about the execution of it.

It’s a start though at least

Mad_Cyril

benson
Not just the capital.

Most of the PFI projects were delivered by private companies, Mcalpine ran a lot of the hospital constructions for example, not the government.

Can get you a RACI matrix if it helps.

Old-Dutch

Not so sure mate. The game is sewn up whomever in in power.

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