9/11 National Tragedy ?

jonattonyeah

And plenty of experts have said the complete opposite. Problem is, YouTube gives equal voice to reason as it does balderdash so the waters get muddied. People are also opportunists. Oh I can make a buck off spouting some half-baked theory using my education as a reason to listen? Done. Which is also why I think somebody, somewhere, with evidence of malfeasance would’ve come forward by now. They’d make millions and would go down in history.

As for the second part….well they did it, didn’t they? They smashed those planes into the buildings. They were certainly Comfortably Numb by the end of it.

zackster

Idk about the towers, and anyone talking about jet fuel temperatures should be placed on the pay no mind list, however I firmly believe that we shot the Pentagon with a missile. Could be as simple as a rogue agent did it thinking it would be the icing on the cake for all out war, idk, but there is absolutely no way a plane did that.

Also, its super SUS that several pages of the 9/11 report went missing, never to be found or released.

jonattonyeah

zackster

Where are the 50+ people who died? Did the rogue agent kill them too? Did everyone get their own personal missile death? Where’d that plane go if not in the side of the Pentagon?

mono-stereo

zackster I firmly believe that we shot the Pentagon with a missile. Could be as simple as a rogue agent did it thinking it would be the icing on the cake for all out war, idk, but there is absolutely no way a plane did that.

What makes you so sure that it wasn’t a plane?

zackster

jonattonyeah idk, I have deliberately avoided this subject as I knew it would cause me serious frenzy damage. Maybe the 50 died? Maybe they never existed? Idk, all I know is the official 9/11 report is a croc of shit.

I’ll have to find the story, but I recently learned of these Mossad agents who were arrested at ground zero, filming the first plane as it hit tower 1. A few years later they went on Israeli TV and said “we did not do this, we were just there to film it.” Like wtf is that about?

LT42

My guess is that the planes had to be at least programmed from elsewhere to make those manoeuvres and they weren’t being physically flown at the time by hand, or at the very least the lads sitting in the cockpit had the help to do it, which would mean help to enter waypoints into the MCDU but even that would be doubtful as United and American would have data from the onboard computers sent to them from that system. The transponders were turned off but frequencies can still be inputed and used so there could’ve been outside help perhaps. The official narrative that they received minimal training down in Florida on Cessnas and then did this all by themselves is highly questionable when they could easily obtain data and say they had outside help from unknown conspirators, so its an interesting conundrum.

Old-Dutch

jonattonyeah Everything about the Pentagon is a closely guarded secret.

Wouldn’t stop people having their own footage of it. Look how much amateur footage there is on the World Trade Centre crashes

jonattonyeah

Old-Dutch

The Pentagon is not in downtown Manhattan. There is literally no reason to be in that area of Arlington unless you work there. Now if they bashed the White House to smithereens like in Independence Day we’d have amateur footage.

@LT42

Okay but what happened to the planes and the people then? Or are they all in on it too. What about the hijackers where we have really disturbing footage of them going through security at the airport? Did they just disappear? You can get into the technical weeds all you want, but disappearing god knows how many people on those planes is a jump much further than “they figured out, through training, how to make it work and we have videos of said planes smashing the WTC.”

If the planes were not the cause. Where. Are. The Planes. Where. Are. The. People.

EDIT so we’re going they never existed. Full Sandy Hook. I guess China, Australia, Ethiopia, South Korea, and the UK are all in on the Flight 77 fake deaths given that’s who was on the plane. Hell of a collaborative effort and for what now?

LT42

zackster are they the same guys who witnessed said were celebrating the 1st impact? NYPD were called, they followed them and arrested them on one of the midtown bridges but were flown straight back to Tel Aviv a couple of days later. Who benefits from the Yanks tearing Muslim countries apart in the Middle East. It ain’t the Irish I’ll tell you that.

Old-Dutch

I am leaning towards they never existed, Zack

LT42

jonattonyeah I think planes were flown into the buildings in Manhattan with people on them, I just know it was impossible for them to be flown by novices without other means of support.

zackster

LT42 yes! They were arrested and were like “the arabs did it!” and were let go. I’ve only just learned about it and its snatched my wig.

jonattonyeah

LT42 I just know it was impossible

You don’t know that. You think that.

I’m also still at a bit of a loss as to the motivations here. To invade Iraq or wherever? Far easier to just manufacture some Reichstag Fire event at an embassy or something. Nah, let’s just take the risk of committing the most egregious event (and subsequent cover-up) against regular-ass people ever. THAT’S the easier way to go about it. The amount of planning would be astounding. And nobody in the room was like, nope, bad idea. Too risky. Okay okay okay, how about we just invent a bunch of people (from other countries, mind). Nobody will care!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Burlingame

Sorry, Sherri! Your husband just frankly didn’t exist. Tough break, I know.

zackster

When Jon sees me post

jonattonyeah

zackster

LOL

LT42

jonattonyeah You don’t know that. You think that

I know novices can’t do things without help that professionals need help to do. There are some things that just are. Ironically, in this case, believing these guys did exactly that is just as big a stretch as believing the illuminati projected fake images of planes onto live broadcasts by CNN.

Mad_Cyril

jonattonyeah I’m also still at a bit of a loss as to the motivations here.

It’s just total shitfuckery Jon.

No different to the QAnon berks, the Trump berks etc.

jonattonyeah

LT42

Well who was helping them then? Wasn’t Charles Burlingame given he never existed.

LT42

jonattonyeah That’s the million dollar question. Logically I’d say it was other jihadis who trained elsewhere and knew how to operate the MCDU but that begs the question why this possibility has never been discussed. All I know is there’s a reason commercial pilots have extensive systems training before they’re licensed to fly, you can’t just rock up to a cockpit with a box cutter and pull off those manoeuvres. Unless these guys really did have extensive Boeing training, but if they did, why have we been told they had minimal training. Its public record that the FBI investigated their movements and their instructors in Florida testified that they were awful student pilots. There’s a massive hole in the story, trying to figure out what that hole is and who put it there may never be realised.

Along_the_Wire

LT42 Its public record that the FBI investigated their movements and their instructors in Florida testified that they were awful student pilots

That’s the kind of PR you’d want in the public arena though, isn’t it? You wouldn’t admit culpability for training up those lunatics, would you?

I’m with JTY and the Occult’s Razor crew.

Amps

Team America, fuck yeah! Worth a read. @zackster

Hursty

Mad_Cyril It was definitely mentioned at some point, anyone else hear that story? As I said, probably bullshit

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