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Dubman Key lock is limited. The further you stretch the track away from its original tempo the more it can affect the quality of the signal. Some tracks can be ok, but others can be very noticeable.

gcw you have to go analogue old old skool or get a read on the key on a digital version of the track on mixed in key or rekordbox. old skool is basically with a keyboard and trying to find the root note - its quite easy and there are some youtube videos on how to do it - you can actually do it manually on the mixed in key programme as there is a little keyboard on there to help. then just write the key and Carousel wheel code on the vinyl for future use.

    baggers44 thanks. I bet I’d be surprised by the results. So many times I have been playing track, picked out the next track thinking ‘I bet this will go well with this ’ only to find they don’t go that well!

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      …sometimes I despair about the prep time I spend with music, creating folders, scanning, tagging. Then I remember what I used to go through when I learned to pitch mix, faffing with pitch pipes/keyboards, stickers and marker scribbles on vinyls and sleeves.

      Along_the_Wire …in Rekordbox switch to the Camelot settings (6A, 6B, 7A, as opposed to G minor, B-flat major, D Minor etc.), it’s a piece of piss. I can walk you through it if you like.

        gcw Yeah, what Baggers said, but basically for vinyl it’s trial and error. Find tunes that don’t clash, then try and create something worth listening to from them.

          Dubman Have just been listening to someone do a ‘guest mix’ on 6 Music and it’s basically this. Can’t see who it is, but I can only assume they are a producer of some sort, because if they where a DJ they would be out of work.

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            Amps Bingo! it was Kelly Lee Owens. Pity, I quite like her productions.

              Fuck me, the amount of admin involved in DJing nowadays. 😅

              Unbroken1 in Rekordbox switch to the Camelot settings (6A, 6B, 7A, as opposed to G minor, B-flat major, D Minor etc.), it’s a piece of piss. I can walk you through it if you like.

              Is there any benefit to switching to the Camelot settings? Or is it just a personal preference thing?

                Amps
                I really rated her first album. Not keen on her latest effort though.

                Matt …not really, if you aren’t musically trained though, it’s much more instantaneous than learning that an F-sharp minor will work next to an A major. The new players will colour-code key compatible tracks anyway.

                You still need to learn which Camelot codes go with which, so it’s pretty much like reading music. I actually think I was better before I used MIK with my tracks. Once I started using MIK I became obsessed with key mixing when you can still be creative off key and it just felt unnatural/cheating. Trying to stop using the keys for track selection was like weaning myself off a drug addiction.

                …learning which go with which is specifically designed to be easy/memorable with Camelot though, MUCH less intuitive to know A flat minor > B major etc. unless you have some level of musical training.

                Absolutely agree with your point though, it’s a tool, tracks that are in-key on paper don’t necessarily sound good together and vice versa, never let it 100% dictate track selection.

                Personally find unusual/unexpected key transitions much more interesting that an endless succession of tracks in the same key.

                  In all honesty I think it depends on how seriously you want to take things. I reckon 90% + of punters in a club really wouldn’t have a clue whether the DJ is mixing in key, nor would they care.

                  For mixes for home listening, it’s different, but still it depends on what you want to do and how much time you have to dedicate to a mix. There are posters on here like Damo and Si Langham (not seen him for a while) who will put out professional quality mixes which are better than most DJs do. I’m using these 2 as an example purely because I listen to their mixes the most. Jamie was another, alas he seems to have moved on.

                  I think.key may ‘make’ a mix a lot more than break a mix so nice to have if you can do, but I’m bollixed if I’m going to start trying to learn this now

                    Amps Aye. To do it properly takes ages which is why professional DJs used to have a basic set of maybe 50-60 vinyl tracks which they knew intimately and had tried in many combinations and would only drop in a couple of new ones every week. these days digitally it is much easier not just because of the ease of key matching but the homogenisation of production methods where now you can easily predict the grid of tracks you can actually almost mix them without sound simply on the waveform of how they look and will probably sound. which is probably not a good thing. to get amazing combinations still takes a lot of graft - a lot i think depends on your personal tolerance level for what sounds good or not - the perfectionists amongst us (not me!) will never quite think it works and will keep going for the perfect transition. others with far too many tunes (me) will busk it and stitch a few together and learn to like the result so long as it is not terrible! horses for courses. i would imagine that if you did it for a living you would need to spend hundreds of hours defining your set and tunes and honing it carefully - i mean i hope they bloody do that rather than a 60 minute job like the rest of us!

                    Mixed in key and other software has certainly made it easier to pick tunes in a hurry. I did like the way you can just going up or down a key can change the energy of a mix. Nowadays there’s so many tracks released on a weekly basis it must be hard to find the time to really get to know all the tracks you buy. It’s why I only buy albums these days as I don’t DJ anymore

                    Unbroken1 in Rekordbox switch to the Camelot settings (6A, 6B, 7A, as opposed to G minor, B-flat major, D Minor etc.), it’s a piece of piss. I can walk you through it if you like.

                    Fuck my old boots, that’s a doddle. Looks like I enjoy bringing a few tracks in a couple of keys higher