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Jules72 raising prices because why not? Human greed and a business’ raison d’etre which is to make money. If they can ramp up prices and know the customer has no choice but to pay, they will. What we’re seeing now is the end game of that philosophy.

      mono-stereo exactly, the slow slide you don’t notice until you’re in that position too, and by that point it’s too late

        Wally it’s post capitalism at its finest, a last desperate dash to grab as much of your money as possible

        Cunts

          Wally bollocks - the reason this is happening is because Russia invaded the Ukraine and has been cutting off supply to Europe… nothing to do with the structure of the retail market.

              The turkeys are coming home to roost for everyone.

              If there’s a silver lining it might force more thinking about renewables and better choices.

              Don’t see those ‘in power’ doing any such strategic thinking though.

              As it is, nobody gives a fuck as long as they’re not personally inconvenienced.

              Viva La Revolution

              Jules72 Yeah sure, that’s why, for example, French prices haven’t risen at all.

                  Was reading this about the green tax we pay as part of our bills:

                  https://fullfact.org/economy/green-levies/

                  This bit jumped out at me:

                  “While it is true that some of the money from these costs goes towards large-scale renewable energy projects, they are also used to fund a range of other environmental policies, including improvements to the energy efficiency of homes and business and Feed in Tariffs paid to households for surplus energy generated from renewable sources (like solar panels). ”

                  Am I being incredibly thick here, or is this claiming that the green tax goes towards paying for energy that people with solar panels sell back to the grid? So we are contributing towards the energy companies buying back energy, which they go on to sell again for profit. Is that what this is actually saying?

                  What are peoples thoughts on the following statement. ’We’ve had it too good for too long’.

                  It’s something I have heard from a couple of people over the last few weeks. The argument being that in comparison to the rest of the world we are have been living in relative luxury - we work, we earn decent money, we have leisure time, multiple leisure options etc. Maybe that has to end now and our resources go towards paying for needs rather than wants.

                  Any substance to that folks?

                    Wally Christ Wally you ain’t half talking out of your behind… French energy prices are simply heavily subsidised - the tax payer foots the bill. And the problem with that is that no one makes an effort to cut consumption. If the whole world does that then there would be rationing and black outs - there’s only a certain amount of fuel to go around. So your nationalised utopia would never work…

                        gcw

                        It’s absolute bollocks. The other line is “the days of cheap fuel and energy prices are over”

                        They’ve never been cheap - the profits these companies make (circa £1b a day on average over the last 50 years) shows this.

                          The other driver of high fuel prices is decarbonisation. Government policy is now directed against carbon fuels, which means no new investment by the private sector in these sectors and therefore limited capacity. You get a shock like Russia invading Ukraine and the shit hits the fan.

                            Jules72 the race to net zero, as worthy as it is, risks bankrupting Britain

                              It’s a fucking pointless exercise at this stage in the game. We’re all fucked and we may as well just get on with it now.

                              The warnings were ringing out for the last 50 odd years and nobody gave a fuck until it was too late. Now it’s just a means of extracting yet more cash and taxes from us, paying lip service and nothing more

                              Jules72 Yes dingus. The tax payer should foot the bill in the UK too. That’s what nationalisation is.

                              There are a myriad of ways to reduce usage without ripping the souls out of the population.

                              Edit : are you suggesting we should be happy to subsidize other nationalised countries over here?

                                You do have question the if the ceo’s of these large energy companies sleep at night knowing that the high prices that they are charging could cause people to starve or cause massive health problems and lot’s of businesses will go under.

                                They sleep extremely well. On very comfy expensive pillows.

                                They know full well the damage their industries do to everybody as well as the planet, but couldn’t give a fuck as long as the money keeps rolling in. They blatantly fund all of the anti-nuclear studies etc. too.

                                Fossil fuels will be used until they run out. And we’ll be bled dry to pay for them

                                  After watching that doco on the bbc. They really don’t give a fuck.

                                  I’ve been putting this in my meter and haven’t had a bill for months -

                                  Jules72 Happy to be wrong here, but isn’t the main issue with the gas price being that China beat us to the market and bought it all up before we did? They got their order in for the next five years or so and it pushed the remaining prices through the roof? This was something that happened before the invasion of Ukraine.

                                  @hugopaI Make yourself useful for once and do the research here for us old chap.