Truss (general uk sucks thread)

Mad_Cyril

alistair This perfectly encapsulates the state of the modern Labour party.

Lol at this

alistair Pity the grieving family who want to left alone.

Totes agree with this.

Along_the_Wire

alistair The state of this post.

Homegrove

I always get a laugh from men who complain that men are hated. Anyone who uses #notallmen is an asshole. Ask any random woman who she feels walking home alone after dark, and then realize that yes, women need to see every unknown male as a threat in a situation like that. Not to mention known males, as majority of sexual assaults are done by men they know.

Hursty

Homegrove Hang on a minute Hannu, are you saying as a bloke you feel 100% safe walking home in a city at night, because I don’t. There are always nutters on the loose and I certainly don’t think good job I’m a bloke because no-one will want to kill me. Its absurd.

Your post makes it sound like this issue is gender specific, its not. Men are generally the perpetrators but both men and women are the victims, and invariably its approximately ⅔ to ⅓ homicides in the UK on average.

bosstrabs

Too long didn’t read, but don’t reckon there’s much sign of bants in that Homegrove post.

Homegrove

You have an amazing attention span Dave.

bosstrabs

Is it ok if you yell ‘surprise!’ first?

Along_the_Wire

Hursty Oh fuck of Hursy, what a load of bollocks. White Lives Matter too right?

Few men are frightened walking home late at night and just because you wet the bed doesn’t mean everyone does. Women risk abuse, rape and murder, all of which are real. What’s your fear, that someone punches you outside the kebab shop?

Along_the_Wire

Hursty Men are generally the perpetrators but both men and women are the victims

And what do you think the context of that is? Do men get into fights more often than women, do you think? Do completely innocent men get hunted down on the way home and attacked? Get a grip.

Hursty

Along_the_Wire Lol ok big man

Along_the_Wire

Hursty How tall are you and how much do you weigh?

Hursty

Along_the_Wire Why does that matter? What I’m trying to understand is how do we stop these crimes being committed? That is the real argument here.

Yes I totally understand and sympathise that women will be more fearful walking alone in a city generally speaking, but again, I’m not seeing anyone tackling the real issue which is a way in which these lone wolf attacks against women can be reduced.

bosstrabs

Along_the_Wire How tall are you and how much do you weigh?

That’s the extreme opposite point to Hursty’s though, the idea that if you are well-built you can handle yourself and don’t need to worry.

Ask my mate who is a well built centre half with the ability to leg it (both fast and with aerobic fitness), he’ll tell you about being hospitalised from a random shit-kicking he had walking back alone from a night out where he nearly got his face caved in.

Homegrove

I live in Finland. London is a bit different. So no, I don’t feel afraid walking home alone at night. But I’ve clearly spooked several women on those occasions just by existing. But I haven’t taken it personally, just crossed the street instead of walking behind her.

vinnyt77

Hursty how do we stop these crimes being committed?

Men not behaving like ignorant idiots, and refusing to believe they’re part of the problem would be a fantastic start.

alistair

Take a look at the stats. The picture isn’t as simple as Grant is making it out to be. Women are twice as likely to be victims of domestic abuse, whilst men are more than twice as likely to be victims of homicides. Ridiculing men for also being scared to walk the streets alone at night isn’t clever.. What I despise is the pitting of men against women that some politicians and journalists specialise in. According to today’s Guardian, the police is institutionally misogynist. It’s bullshit.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019

Along_the_Wire

alistair Hugo-Lite strikes again.

Men are far, far more likely commit violent crimes and mostly to other men involved in those crimes. To compare that to violence and abuse against women is obtuse at best.

I agree with you on the Guardian article to be fair, but the Guardian is a long way past it’s best.

Hursty

vinnyt77 Please explain further Vin, so you are part of the problem amongst everyone other bloke on here, so how are you tackling this issue proactively?

Along_the_Wire

bosstrabs my point is that women are more vulnerable

bosstrabs

Basically, how hard you are doesn’t really matter if they have the numbers and / or mug you with knife.

vinnyt77

Hursty Violence against women is predominantly a men’s problem, not a women’s problem.

I do some, but probably not enough.

I take an active role in helping male kids I’m around a lot not to exacerbate some of the not so good social perspectives on gender.
I have lobbied (and will continue to lobby) National Government, my local MP and my local council to improve services for women who suffer from any form of abuse
I try to hold men accountable when I hear them spouting bullshit views about abuse towards women, whether friends, family, work colleagues or random internet people
I donate to a couple of women’s support charities on a monthly basis
I’ve been on a couple of protest marches in support of better action against abusers of women, though not since 2019

Mad_Cyril

Not sure anyone is saying its not a problem. More people have issue with the politicisation of it, amateur or professional. If anything it undermines or distracts from productive dialogue.

Look at the state of this…

Hursty

vinnyt77 Well that is a highly commendable list of proactive measures! Kudos to you, I’m nowhere near that and will endeavour to take a leaf out of your book. I’m currently snowed under trying to bring my up 6 year old lad to be a decent man however, so I see that as task No1!

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