Old-Dutch there’s so much bollocks in that article it’s difficult to know where to begin, but I also found this part very amusing:

“The shows put out by Brand give his fans the chance to imagine themselves part of his circle. It is a byproduct of social media that sociologists are watching with interest and which can function almost like a traditional cult. A leader draws viewers in with the lure of promised intimacy, or at least of a sense of “community”, which coincidentally is the name of the “wellness” festival that Brand stages in the countryside each year.”.

Meanwhile… at the Guardian you can pay to become a “Patron”, where:

“By becoming a Guardian Patron, you can receive exclusive access to our work. Guardian Patrons are a close community of supporters who are invited to enjoy unique back-stage access to the Guardian’s journalism, history and future. They are invited to Patron-only events, with the opportunity to meet and discuss the issues of the day with our journalists”.

Sounds like the Guardian is also painting itself as functioning “almost like a traditional cult”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/membership/2018/aug/07/support-the-guardian-how-to-make-the-most

mono-stereo There is obviously somthing wrong if said shagger rapes and sexually assaults people, you might call them a sex pest

But @alistair already said that supposedly Brand has “always been a sex pest” - so to use your confused definition, that would indicate that it was supposedly already known that Brand was someone who has always committed sexual assault. In which case, why didn’t you or alistair already comment prior to these stories that Brand had committed sexual assault?

And also, if someone was a rapist or had committed sexual assault, why would you not instead simply refer to them as being a rapist or someone who had committed sexual assault? Again, your use of the term seems very unclear, vague and confused.

    hugopal As usual you’re tying yourself up in knots. I said you might refair to the latter a sex pest, I wasn’t talking in absolutles. Feel free to replace the term with anything you like, the only person who’s confused here is you.

    hugopal And also, if someone was a rapist or had committed sexual assault, why would you not instead simply refer to them as being a rapist or someone who had committed sexual assault?

    Well Spock, because that’s not the way language works. See above.

      mono-stereo I said you might refair to the latter a sex pest

      That doesn’t seem how alistair could have been using the term though.

      Although you still “might” refer to someone who’d been a rapist as a “sex pest” it doesn’t seem the most obvious term to use.

      Unless alistair already somehow knew that Brand had “always” committed lots of sexual assault and rape, then it can’t have been he was using the term “sex pest” as synonymous with someone who commits lots of rape and sexual assault. In which case, he must have been using the term to describe something else.

      He actually gave the example of the video above which generally just shows Brand flirting. I would say a term which can and is used to describe anything from flirting to rape is imprecise, sloppy and dangerously vague.

      It would mean that anyone who does just sleeps with a lot of people by flirting, can be lazily lumped together with rapists. It does therefore need to be specified precisely what a person means when they try and label someone a “sex pest”.

        Homegrove Hannu acts as a “conduit of natural forces” by getting down on his knees in front of his wife, pointing to his anus, then pointing to the cupboard where the strap-on is kept; all the while making strange mewing noises.

        hugopal you call it flirting but it’s very evident his extremely suggestive actions making the recipients very uncomfortable and flustered on national TV. Have you seen the Saville Selina Scott interview?

          alistair making the recipients very uncomfortable and flustered

          i. e. turned on, perhaps.

          alistair extremely suggestive actions

          Err, flirting is by its nature suggestive. How would you flirt without being suggestive?

            Homegrove Found Hugo.

            I like Jordan Peterson, I don’t like Andrew Tate.

            hugopal By not referring to genitalia for a start. He’s an overgrown child. It’s been about 20 years since I went on a first date but even know about basic etiquette.

              alistair By not referring to genitalia for a start. He’s an overgrown child. It’s been about 20 years since I went on a first date but even know about basic etiquette.

              Cancel the BBC, Graham Norton, David Tennant etc etc for not following what you call “basic etiquette” :

              alistair He’s an overgrown child

              He’s as of now been married for six years, and has two kids with a third on the way.

                hugopal oh I forgot he’s renounced his past. It’s now come back to bite him on the arse.

                  alistair seems like some of the anonymous accusers are also trying to renounce their past.

                  It does therefore need to be specified precisely what a person means when they try and label someone a “sex pest”.

                  I provided my interpretation, twice.

                    mono-stereo I provided my interpretation, twice.

                    Yes and both times it was vague and at odds with how alistair used the term.

                    Here’s a simple way to highlight one of the issues: do you think being a “sex pest” also includes the kind of flirting alistair posted in his earlier video to illustrate what he meant? Yes or no. Because so far you haven’t indicated that you think it does.