Since the Second WORLD War, where the Germans were trying to trying to capture an entire fucking continent, there have not only been huge technological advancement in combat, but there’s also this trifling international agreement called the Geneva Convention. Things are really quite different to the mid 1940s these days. Astonishing really.

    Yes yes but do you condemn Hamas? Do you? I haven’t seen you say you have once! How can we even have a conversation if you don’t condemn Hamas?!

      rhouses Is Hugo comparing the Nazi’s blitzkrieg during WWII with the Hamas attack on October 7th

      It’s not only that attack - stretching back to 1947 the pattern has been that Israel was willing to accept a two state solution but it was the others surrounding it who invaded it first and would not accept it as a country. As is the case in WW2 - heck, as was the case following 9/11, or following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine - if you want to use different comparisons - typically when one country invades another and kills a large number of its civilians, that is usually a trigger for a larger scale war. If the Palestinians couldn’t countenance there being a war, they shouldn’t have launched an invasion.

      And how many people precisely do you think an acceptable number be killed in the following war, as a response to Hamas’ attack - which also killed over 1,000 people? Should Israel be somehow checking every body to ensure that the age and gender of the Palestinians killed are precisely equal to that of the Israelis killed, because then Hamas - and you - would consider that to be a “fair” response somehow? Should they also be taking precisely the same number of Palestinians hostage as Palestinians have taken Israelis hostage - because that would be “fair”? Should they also be treating the Palestinian civilians the same was as the Israeli civilians were treated - in raping the women and parading their dead naked bodies through the street while desecrating their corpses? Would that be what you’d consider a “fair” and acceptable response? If Israel acted in such a way do you think it would make it any more likely Hamas would not attack again in future?

          zackster is it fair too simply assume that I don’t agree with murder, torture and kidnapping of innocent civilians, or is that just too much for people to grasp?

              Along_the_Wire when you accused me of being worse than Hitler

              I never said that - your head is clearly in a bit of a muddle.

              Along_the_Wire Since the Second WORLD War, where the Germans were trying to trying to capture an entire fucking continent,

              And the “entire fucking continent” responded with war.

              Hamas want to capture Israel, so Israel have responded with war.

              Along_the_Wire I’ve been clear

              You really haven’t, you’re still dodging the question. The notion that no civilians be killed when their country is run by a totalitarian regime that has waged war on another - just because there haven’t been elections in a while - is just fanciful. For one thing, you’d de facto be saying that any country could just become a totalitarian one and ban elections if it wishes to wage war and you’d allow it to do what it wants indefinitely without repercussions because supposedly the people are all in disagreement

              As an additional note - I’ve mentioned before that the most reliable opinion polls available have had Hamas support in Gaza at consistently above 50% across recent years.

              And besides would it then be alright if just the addresses of the people who voted for Hamas be targeted - if they had access to the voting slips?

                      Along_the_Wire is it Palestine or Hamas that are attacking Israel? You seem to be confused yourself.

                      As I keep asking you - and well done for my point finally seeming to sink in to your head to some degree - does it make a difference? In WW2 were the allies at war with Germany, or just the totalitarian Nazi regime which had banned elections?

                          nicksneddon The Israeli government have been waiting years for a trigger like this so they can erase the Palestinian population and move in on the land

                          So then why did the Palestinians give them that “trigger”?

                            zackster Yes yes but do you condemn Hamas? Do you? I haven’t seen you say you have once! How can we even have a conversation if you don’t condemn Hamas?!

                            Hamas have feelings too Zacko, let’s not be mean

                              hugopal As an additional note - I’ve mentioned before that the most reliable opinion polls available have had Hamas support in Gaza at consistently above 50% across recent years.

                              Do you think Palestinians might be scared of Hamas and when it comes to option polls that they might just say what’s needed to be heard so they don’t have their door blown in at 3am?

                                hugopal You really haven’t, you’re still dodging the question

                                Your question is about whether or not the allies should or shouldn’t have pummelled Germany right? I’ve said it’s not comparable - international law has changed for starters. If you want me to directly answer an irrelevant question, then my answer is, I’m not sure - I disagree with innocent lives being lost in their tens of thousands on either side.

                                    Along_the_Wire The Conservative Party didn’t invade The Falklands, did they?

                                    It’s debatable if any invasion of the Falklands even took place by the UK, let alone the Conservatives or any other party.

                                    So anyway, you’d say that Israel is at war with Palestine then, based on the weird example you’ve tried to use above? Not just Hamas?

                                        Along_the_Wire then my answer is, I’m not sure

                                        That’s fine, at least you finally tried to consider it.

                                        Along_the_Wire international law has changed for starters

                                        “International law” bans the taking of hostages, as an FYI.

                                              hugopal “International law” bans the taking of hostages, as an FYI.

                                              I they shouldn’t have done it, obviously.