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    • Post #212

    Some great takes in here lads, it’s like 606’s Savage and Sutton have done a phone in on humanities.

    hugopal If you’re not having kids then why do you even give a flying fuck what the climate will be like for future generations?!?!

    Because I have empathy with other human beings and the human experience.

    hugopal If you think that having kids is a bad thing, then why would you support and care for the kids other people are having?

    Because otherwise it’s like Amps saying that he doesn’t think it’s morally right that he should drive a gas-guzzling 4×4, yet he encourages other people to do so, applauds them when they do, and even buys them a nice air freshener and some new tires as a gift so they have a more pleasant journey.

    It doesn’t have to be a binary choice. Becasue you choose A you don’t have to hate B. I like chocolate cake, but that doesn’t mean I want all bakers of other cakes to be stopped and locked up, I’m not worried that resources and shelf space are going to cheese cakes at the detriment of chocolate cakes. I quite like cheese cake, not as much as chocolate cake, but I have room in my life for both of them. Christmas cake can fuck off, but nobody has to die.

    Hursty doing your bit, most people are doing something, however it will never be enough for the eco warriors who want to shame you for every single action or life choice.

    The problem you have is that things like recycling, has almost fuck all impact when compared to not having kids or not flying. Recycling isn’t doing your bit. The problem is bigger than that.

            Amps This is my point, no matter what people do, it isn’t enough for some, they always have to go the extra mile based on their own specific beliefs derived from the datasets they read

              Amps Some great takes in here lads

              I appreciate you at least attempting to answer the questions…

              Amps It doesn’t have to be a binary choice. Becasue you choose A you don’t have to hate B. I like chocolate cake, but that doesn’t mean I want all bakers of other cakes to be stopped and locked up, I’m not worried that resources and shelf space are going to cheese cakes at the detriment of chocolate cakes.

              Your analogy is a bizarre and confused one, but anyway, I’ll try and decipher what the heck you’re trying to get at:

              “I’m not worried that resources and shelf space are going to cheese cakes at the detriment of chocolate cakes”

              Let’s swap the terms of discussion back in to that sentence and see how it makes sense…

              “I’m not worried that resources and shelf space are going to having kids at the detriment of not having kids”

              So if you really are not worried about the resources and shelf space used by having kids, then how is your not having kids saving the planet?!….

                    We go again!

                    hugopal Back up thread you confused Amps not wanting to have Kids with Amps not wanting anyone having kids.

                        • LT42

                          • Post #217

                          THE SHELF SPACE AND RESOURCE WEEDS

                            LT42 Hursty asked him about his personal contribution, you’re the one who implied the nonsense and what you wrote is some of the dumbest shit I’ve read on here in a while

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                              • Amps

                                • Post #220

                                hugopal Nothing bizarre about cakes, they’re lovely. How about, ’I’m okay with some shelf space and resources going to other cakes, they’re just not for me, I’d rather focus where I can on chocolate cake’.

                                    • Amps

                                      • Post #221

                                      LT42 Mono needs to have at it with the AI images on this one.

                                        • hugopal

                                          • Post #222
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                                          mono-stereo Back up thread you confused Amps not wanting to have Kids with Amps not wanting anyone having kids.

                                          Jesus wept.

                                          I did not confuse anything - I was highlighting the inconsistencies in Amps’ apparent viewpoint.

                                          If Amps is fine with others having kids and doesn’t think it’s damaging the planet, then how is his not having kids saving the planet?!

                                          Comprendez?!

                                              • LT42

                                                • Post #223

                                                Amazing

                                                Amps Nothing bizarre about cakes, they’re lovely

                                                To use a cake analogy which makes more sense (to help you wrap your head around the matter):

                                                If you really are “not worried that resources and shelf space are going to cheese cakes/having kids” then it’s indicating there’s plenty of resources and shelf space to meet demand.

                                                It’s as if you’re saying there’s enough resources and shelf space for maybe 200 cheese cakes, but you’re not worried because others only want 150 cheese cakes.

                                                In which case, it then makes zero sense to then try and claim “guys I’m helping to contribute by choosing not to eat any cheese cakes!” and you should stop pretending otherwise.

                                                  hugopal If Amps is fine with others having kids and doesn’t think it’s damaging the planet

                                                  You’re making a false assumption again. You can be fine with others having kids, and also still worry about people having too many kids.

                                                      You can have your cake and eat it

                                                      • Amps replied to this.

                                                        Mad_Cyril sorry…

                                                        Hugo and Amps each have half a square cheese cake. Hugo suggests that Amps shares his cake with his sister Anne, Anne’s mother’s husband and his husbands cat.

                                                        Anne cuts each slice to have the same amount of cake, using the perimeter of the cake. (It’s essentially the same as dividing a circular cake into five slices). Since the perimeter of the cake is 20 units (as marked by Hugo’s brother, Alan), then each of the five slices must have 4 units of edge. So, we choose a point on the perimeter and then mark all the other points four units along before shoving it up Alan’s ringer.

                                                            mono-stereo You’re making a false assumption again. You can be fine with others having kids, and also still worry about people having too many kids.

                                                            You’re making an assumption here about Amps - I haven’t seen him directly post in this discussion that he is worried about other people having too many kids. And if he is then he is contradicting his quote above about resources and shelf space.

                                                            However!! Even if he tried to contradict himself on this, it would bring me back to one of my original points of contention - if you are actually worried about “people having too many kids” then why would you welcome and be fine with the birth of an additional kid?… It will be another one “too many”.

                                                                hugopal if you are actually worried about “people having too many kids” then why would you welcome and be fine with the birth of an additional kid?… It will be another one “too many”.

                                                                This is the way numbers work Hugo. “Too many” can be any old number.

                                                                    Assumptions getting made left, right and centre!