mono-stereo Back up thread you confused Amps not wanting to have Kids with Amps not wanting anyone having kids.
Jesus wept.
I did not confuse anything - I was highlighting the inconsistencies in Amps’ apparent viewpoint.
If Amps is fine with others having kids and doesn’t think it’s damaging the planet, then how is his not having kids saving the planet?!
Comprendez?!
Amazing
Amps Nothing bizarre about cakes, they’re lovely
To use a cake analogy which makes more sense (to help you wrap your head around the matter):
If you really are “not worried that resources and shelf space are going to cheese cakes/having kids” then it’s indicating there’s plenty of resources and shelf space to meet demand.
It’s as if you’re saying there’s enough resources and shelf space for maybe 200 cheese cakes, but you’re not worried because others only want 150 cheese cakes.
In which case, it then makes zero sense to then try and claim “guys I’m helping to contribute by choosing not to eat any cheese cakes!” and you should stop pretending otherwise.
hugopal If Amps is fine with others having kids and doesn’t think it’s damaging the planet
You’re making a false assumption again. You can be fine with others having kids, and also still worry about people having too many kids.
mono-stereo
In cake terms please mono 
You can have your cake and eat it
Mad_Cyril sorry…
Hugo and Amps each have half a square cheese cake. Hugo suggests that Amps shares his cake with his sister Anne, Anne’s mother’s husband and his husbands cat.
Anne cuts each slice to have the same amount of cake, using the perimeter of the cake. (It’s essentially the same as dividing a circular cake into five slices). Since the perimeter of the cake is 20 units (as marked by Hugo’s brother, Alan), then each of the five slices must have 4 units of edge. So, we choose a point on the perimeter and then mark all the other points four units along before shoving it up Alan’s ringer.
mono-stereo You’re making a false assumption again. You can be fine with others having kids, and also still worry about people having too many kids.
You’re making an assumption here about Amps - I haven’t seen him directly post in this discussion that he is worried about other people having too many kids. And if he is then he is contradicting his quote above about resources and shelf space.
However!! Even if he tried to contradict himself on this, it would bring me back to one of my original points of contention - if you are actually worried about “people having too many kids” then why would you welcome and be fine with the birth of an additional kid?… It will be another one “too many”.
hugopal if you are actually worried about “people having too many kids” then why would you welcome and be fine with the birth of an additional kid?… It will be another one “too many”.
This is the way numbers work Hugo. “Too many” can be any old number.
Assumptions getting made left, right and centre!
Smallman1 assumption is the mother of all fuckups!
Never assume.
It makes an ass of u and me.
Onwards!
mono-stereo This is the way numbers work Hugo. “Too many” can be any old number.
That comment adds nothing and does not answer the clear question.
Given the context, “too many” will just be any number of 1 or greater.
If the number was 1, then any additional 1 would be “1 too many”
If the number was 2, then any additional 2 would be “2 too many”
etc. etc.
Regardless of whether it is 1, 2, 3, 70 etc. etc. which you think is “too many”, then none of those will be consistent with someone both being fine with and welcoming additional births on the one hand, yet somehow saving the planet by not having a child on the other hand:
If the “too many” number is 1 then you must admonish that 1 birth as excessive.
If the “too many” number is greater than 1, then your choosing to not have even 1 kid does not mean you are saving the planet as there is still excess capacity.
Did Anne birth the cheesecake from her vagina? If not, then nobody is taking this seriously.
hugopal you’ve tied yourself up in knots here 
mono-stereo you’ve tied yourself up in knots here
I’ve not - I’ve illustrated the knot which Amps has created; as I explained there is no explanation where Amps is not contradicting himself.
mono-stereo Hugo and Amps each have half a square cheese cake. Hugo suggests that Amps shares his cake with his sister Anne, Anne’s mother’s husband and his husbands cat.
Anne cuts each slice to have the same amount of cake, using the perimeter of the cake. (It’s essentially the same as dividing a circular cake into five slices). Since the perimeter of the cake is 20 units (as marked by Hugo’s brother, Alan), then each of the five slices must have 4 units of edge. So, we choose a point on the perimeter and then mark all the other points four units along before shoving it up Alan’s ringer
Thank you, this is much clearer. And is an excellent frame of reference for the remainder of the debate.
We continue
