Step 2 in the Eddie Smalls’ Biz Trans Rulebook: Tops off at the workplace. It may make burns on machinery more of a risk, but on the plus side you can imagine you’re at a club like ‘The Anvil’ from the Simpsons.

hugopal sure, Musk being “toxic” must be why Paypal, Tesla and SpaceX have been such huge flops.

It depends on what you mean by toxic. For example, you can be good at making money and still be a terrible wanker to work for. The two arn’t mutually exclsuive.

      mono-stereo Also I wonder how many bosses are classed as wankers by their workers? I’m guessing most of us on here have spent many a working hour complaining about how senior management are the aforementioned

          This richest man in the world shit is so painful. This isn’t JP Morgan we are talking about ffs. Elon’s net worth is so elastic that it is beyond calculation. Tesla is his most valuable asset, and that company is not long for this world.

            hugopal I’m not sure buying Twitter is completely a business decision for him anyway. He seems to be driven by what he wants to achieve, rather than whether it’s a sound business model.

              zackster I take it you are shorting TSLA stock then based on this conviction?

                How can Tesla expect to last? Their cars are deathtraps. GM and co are now in the electric world, and can actually make electric cars that don’t kill everyone in a 20 mile radius. Tesla’s whole pitch is the self driving bullshit, which they absolutely cannot do. Take that away and they are toast. Don’t get me wrong, I am sure it will end up being bough by someone else and run totally differently, but Elon and Tesla as a pair are not a long term prospect.

                  And I take it back. Tesla isn’t his most valuable asset. It is probably Space X, which only derives value from government contracts.

                    mono-stereo Have not. Will watch tonight. Not really sure why you’d think he’s childlike or impulsive, but I’ll have to watch before passing judgement.

                        Hursty True, although most CEO types don’t tend to “rage-fire” employees.

                            zackster The data must be quite different in the US to the UK as there aren’t many instances of Tesla deathtraps here

                            If anything they are pretty good for safety

                              zackster You’re in for a right treat, it’s a great doc. His formative years explain his behavior as an adult. I actually ended up feeling sorry for the guy.

                                  zackster Well that is common for a lot of big companies, in-fact some are created just to target juicy government contracts

                                      mono-stereo I wonder how many would if they knew what their employees were saying about them like in Elon’s case?

                                        Hursty Of course. But what value add does he bring to that? Nothing that I can see. His cooky science guy persona is eroding, and I can only guess that so are the weirdo customers he attracts as a result. He has become a liability, and it’s growing more obvious by the day. I don’t doubt that companies which he currently owns will go on in one form or another. But IDK what he will have to do with them. Again, I will not be shocked if Elon’s yacht takes a horrific turn into a firework factory. He has Bob Maxwell written all over him.

                                            zackster Well one thing is for sure, he will keep us up to date via Twitter before he is #epsteined

                                              mono-stereo Ah can’t watch in the USA currently. Will keep an eye out for future options.

                                                mono-stereo It depends on what you mean by toxic. For example, you can be good at making money and still be a terrible wanker to work for. The two arn’t mutually exclsuive.

                                                You’ve clearly missed the point.

                                                Have a look again at the tweet Amps posted which I was replying to - I was refuting the insinuation it was trying to make that:
                                                a "Harvard study found hiring one highly productive “toxic worker” does more damage to a company’s bottom line than employing more several less productive, but more cooperative workers", and that Musk doesn’t realise he’s an example of the “toxic workers” referenced.

                                                It’s clearly nonsense for a few reasons:

                                                1) As you say, Musk is the boss/CEO - the Harvard study was not looking at the behaviour of CEOs, but rather evaluating if the “toxic” behaviour of typical employees was related to bottom line.

                                                2) Again, as you say, Musk is good at making money - he has typically greatly increased the “bottom line” of his companies at an incredible rate, as opposed to doing them “damage”.

                                                3) Yet again, as you say, it is also important to consider what is meant by “toxic” - and the Harvard study referenced is highly questionable on this, for instance it comes to its conclusion despite the fact one of the key findings of its data was that "those who state that rules should never be broken are 20% more likely to be terminated for toxic behavior” than those who think “sometimes it is necessary to break the rules to accomplish something” - despite the fact most people would probably be more likely to equate being more prone to breaking rules as being somehow more “toxic”.


                                                So the Harvard study was more trying to claim that if you’re a CEO, you don’t want (your word) “a terrible wanker” working for you. Maybe this is true, maybe it isn’t, but the Harvard study doesn’t do a particularly good job of answering that question. Furthermore, the Harvard study also says nothing about whether being “a terrible wanker” has anything to do with a CEO’s performance.

                                                In sum, it makes no sense to try and use that tweet as a “gotcha” of Musk, as the original tweeter, and also Amps, have tried to do.