VR46 UK has an opportunity to make a deal and finally make use of brexit so why not try at least to sort something.

But that deal now has to be with a complete fruit cake who will just do the last thing that he was told. Were as we could be dealing with lesser grifters in Europe who are far more likely to stay the course.

VR46 diplomacy is needed now and peace imo.

I agree, but it shouldn’t be handled by a compromised POTUS / Russian agent. I agree that Europe have been lazy / toed the Biden line for the last three years, but they can negotiate a peace if they want to. If Trump is a true isolationist he should shut his hoop.

Can’t help but think this is all Labour’s fault.

    Smallman1 Can’t help but think this is all Labour’s fault.

    If people like Amps and Corbyn hadn’t been at the forefront of the Labour movement, boring people senseless like some dusty trade union leaders from 1973, promising to consign everyone to a return to meagre rations of British pork and peas for dinner, and have everyone travel everywhere on nationalised buses, Cameron probably would have been ousted and we’d never have had this daft referendum.

    So, yes, Labour’s fault.

    • Amps replied to this.

      Lol, love ya work Dave!

      VR46 Not everything trump will do will be negative LT, no matter how far you are on the opposition, it’s idiotic to think everything single thing will be negative.

      Fair enough, Funky, but that requires you explaining for us just one thing he did positive since 2016 as President, and anything positive he ever did in his career before that. Nothing cosmetic either, something that most reasonable people could agree on. Back up your very strong words. For once.

        bosstrabs Woah woah woah! I was fully onboard the free STW for everyone bus, no rationing from the Amps camp thank you.

        LT42 something that most reasonable people could agree on.

        Trump Tower in NYC.

        Talk about case closed!

        Old-Dutch Sorry, maybe wasn’t the best sentence structure. The “and” starts a new clause with Trump being the subject after the comma separation. Putin started shit, Trump threw the Ukraine under the bus.

        VR46 303 stated let’s keep funding Ukraine to fight and sanction Russia, has that worked so far?

        Pretty fucking well, all things considered, from the American perspective. For a tiny fraction of their budget, they’ve helped the Ukraine defend against Russia for 3 years, shown how weak the Russian military is, and devastated the Russian economy. It’s also demonstrated to China that invading Taiwan maybe not the best idea and has held their geo-political influence.

        Trump’s pro-Russia intervention has undermined all of that and will only serve to strengthen the BRICS nations. This is the biggest shift in global power in 80 years.

        Maybe if you’re so concerned about the loss of life, you should direct your ire where it belongs. This is Putin’s doing, now with the support of the Americans.

        • VR46 replied to this.
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          303abuser it’s Putin doing but yet again, you can’t end this without talking. That goes for any war, I’ll say again we put up with ex terrorists in our government just so there was peace so sometimes concessions have to be made that people don’t like.

          Trump being secret agent and Russia connections has been debunked. If I was spreading conspiracies yous would be quick to tell me. Russia aren’t on their knees far from it, if they where I’d say continue until they are defeated.

            VR46 Russia is in a full war time economy, what’s the conspiracy? And show me where I said diplomacy isn’t necessary.

            Do you think the Americans aren’t getting value for the money they spent? Are you under the impression that their defense budget since ww2 was forced on them externally and not part of a dedicated national plan?

            There’s some nonsense being spouted in this thread, and not all of it from VR46.

            Trump first term was a fiasco but I’d give him some credit for the Abraham Accords

            • LT42 replied to this.

              bosstrabs Please can someone do a meme of a FEWMIN Homegrove getting bombs landing all around him while he’s trying to vacuum?

              mono-stereo

              Amps There’s enough photos of H to train the model properly. Downvote from me.

              I know Amps, I thought the same thing. So:

                alistair I’d give him some credit for the Abraham Accords

                Taken from a Reuters article - as per Sudan’s normalising of relations with Israel “As part of the agreement, the US removed Sudan from its list of state sponsors of terrorism and gave them a US$1.2 billion loan.”

                https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sudan-usa-mnuchin/u-s-treasury-signs-loan-deal-to-clear-sudans-1-2-billion-world-bank-arrears-idUSKBN29B2J3/

                https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/2170482/us-treasury-removing-sudan-terror-list-matter-time?_wrapper_format=html&page=2

                I’d give him some credit for being good at coercing people, Ali, or as he used to say himself “forcing them to lose.” Be honest, are those accords really about peace in the Middle East and Arab-Israeli “normalisation”? The deal is between Israel, Bahrain and fucking DUBAI by the way.

                A peace deal with a giant golden name across the top that says TRUMP

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                Hear me now rude boy!

                Was driving home there and heard a clip on Radio 2 of how trump is talking to Zelenskyy

                It did not sound good

                  NasserAlazzawi
                  I heard some of it on LBC.
                  It sounded like trump & Vance were bullying him.