VR46 I remain more open minded than some

Exactly what evidence would you require to get off the fence when it comes to trump? Being open minded to fascism isn’t the virtue signal you think it is.

VR46 Only 2 main mainstream news outlets in the states are on the right the rest are on the left

That’s blatant nonsense. https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

VR46 If Biden was in charge now would there be progress on Russia Ukraine, what would he do different exactly, they wouldn’t even get to the talks with putin.

Correct. If Biden was in power, the americans wouldn’t be giving in to a murderous aI to rat and bullying the Ukraine into giving up their resources without a security agreement.

VR46 I’m all for democracy

If you’re going to defend trump and putin, this is certainly a lie.

VR46 in a free world we should have freedom or expression and free speech

How does banning the AP from the whitehouse align with that?

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              303abuser the free speech part only applies to hate speech. You want to talk about minority issues they don’t want that.

              Also I think he believes we the world should just let Putin have Ukraine. Because you know only the might is right.

                  Homegrove They take the same approach to free speech as they do to government transparency. Yell about it all day while doing the exact opposite. And the rubes fall for it.

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                        303abuser You make out like he is a terrorist, he was legitimately voted in yet again, like it or not. So get over it and stop trying to bully people. If you maybe grew up in a civil war you would appreciate democracy, we had terrorists become part of the government here, they got voted in many didn’t like it but it happened and we had to accept it for peace to happen.

                        Part of trying to get peace is having to talk to dicactors, terrorists etc like dont act thick. Also do you expect Russia to hand back what they control, no matter who pofus is they won’t be able to negotiate that back to Ukraine. Only solution would be upping this war and potential chance of ww3. Wake up to reality, how much death and destruction do you want, Russia have some leverage here, and we all have to except it. Peace deal needs to happen.

                        Btw 303 fox and newsmaxx are the only 2 on cable TV over there on the right. In UK GB news is the only mainstream media outlet on the right. Hardly what you can call fair but the people certainly didn’t listen they voted him in including some traditional dems voters.

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                              VR46 Trump is only interested in what he gets out of this though, he doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine or Russia, just what benefits him. The man is a fucking idiot and I’m with Hannu here and hope he dies. The world could do without his bullshit for the next 4 years

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                                  Wishing death isn’t very Liberal lads. No wonder extreme shit happens in this world people are so triggered. Should learn from NI trust me we had ira and dup ffs and still had peace.

                                    VR46

                                    VR46 You make out like he is a terrorist

                                    He’s supporting an autocrat who has invaded the Ukraine and his vp just told the Germans in the European security meeting that they should be more open to working with a neo-nazi party. Is there a massive difference?

                                    VR46 he was legitimately voted in yet again

                                    I’ve never indicated otherwise.

                                    VR46 stop trying to bully people

                                    Is that you playing the victim card? Otherwise, you’re the one supporting the man who is running an extortion scheme on a country who is being pummeled by Russia.

                                    VR46 If you maybe grew up in a civil war you would appreciate democracy

                                    You’re the person advocating for fascism and autocracy. Trump is declaring economic war against decades-long allies and is talking about annexing Canada. I feel like I appreciate democracy far more than your words indicate that you do.

                                    VR46 how much death and destruction do you want

                                    You can stop with the gaslighting. The Ukraine war is 100% on Russia and Trump, the man you’re actively siding with, has thrown the Ukraine and its people under the bus. Forget that he’s weakening the US’s geo-political standing. I hope you’re as in favour of autocracy as you sound, because Russia and China are about to get a lot more influential.

                                    Edit: and if you want to know why I’m so concerned, it’s shit like this …. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/02/27/white-house-canadian-border-trump-trudeau/

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                                                    303abuser You won’t even bring forward you’re own solution for ending this war, you think Biden or kamala could of ended it without negotiating with Putin. You don’t live in reality if that’s the case. You also think trump started the war aswell wtf.

                                                    Call me all the names of the day I don’t care at this point because I no confirmation bias when I see it. Not like I ever praised trump that much, if I did it was mostly to troll because people are so triggered.

                                                    Classing him as terrorist though, that’s when someone is to far gone. Not even at Bush levels on war crime no where near. Definitely is free speech when you can blatantly call pofus a terrorist and wish death on him or wish he was assassinated, lucky you don’t live in Russia or China that’s for sure lol.

                                                        VR46 I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on geo-politics, that’s above my pay grade. It would seem to me that the way out of this is to continue to support the Ukraine’s right to sovereignty, sanction Russian, and negotiate once you have leverage. Trump has annihilated that option.

                                                        And I don’t recall calling you names. All I’ve done is respond to your posts point-by-point to try to alleviate your propensity from jumping from one topic to the next when you find your position indefensible. And saying you’re only supporting trump in discussion as a troll is disingenuous. Be better.

                                                        And again, I didn’t call him a terrorist, I asked you to define the difference given his recent position on the sovereignty of various nations.

                                                          VR46 Btw 303 fox and newsmaxx are the only 2 on cable TV over there on the right. In UK GB news is the only mainstream media outlet on the right. Hardly what you can call fair but the people certainly didn’t listen they voted him in including some traditional dems voters.

                                                          They lie. Constantly.

                                                            Along_the_Wire I think I’ve asked him two dozen direct questions in this thread with crickets for responses.

                                                            This is the right wing playbook in action: throw as much shit at the wall as possible, because it’s far easier to make up “facts” than it is to debunk misinformation; when you’re in a corner, move the goal posts or jump to a whataboutism; project like crazy and play the victim when you get called out. It’s nauseating.

                                                              Along_the_Wire Did Hitler deserve to die?

                                                              Hitler was the person who was killing his political opponents to begin with…

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                                                                  Trump is not Hitler please wise up.

                                                                    It’s going to be absolutely boss when Putin bombs Homegrove’s cats.

                                                                    Pure FEWM!

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                                                                      Hamas go around advocating genocide, oppressing their own people and generally creating misery and mayhem, then Trump comes along with a plan to finally bring them a taste of the good life and somehow he’s the bad guy?!

                                                                      Come on lads, really? 🤔