The COVID-19 Blues

Old-Dutch

If you mean, did our Government cancel lockdown quicker than other counrties, then maybe.

Not sure how this relates to a vaccine we all had all over the globe.

Except for Africa, who seemed to manage pretty well without strangely

Old-Dutch

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=cancer+in+young+people+drs+are+baffled

I wonder what ‘might’ be behind the sudden surge of “baffling” cancer diagnoses in the young (and various other life changing conditions) since 2021. It’s almost like something in 2021 might have triggered this.

A shame our friends in Australia didn’t settle that one for us with all of the data they had collected and studied for this very purpose despite choosing to burn the house down instead

303abuser

Old-Dutch It saved millions of lives, there’s no debate about that. Since most of what you posted here is vague speculation from people who have about the same medical credentials as the average person in this thread (minus a few notables of course), what’s your actual concern about the vaccine?

Old-Dutch

303abuser It saved millions of lives, there’s no debate about that. Since most of what you posted here is vague speculation from people who have about the same medical credentials as the average person in this thread (minus a few notables of course), what’s your actual concern about the vaccine?

Quoting this here. Just in case it gets deleted. Lol

Old-Dutch

303abuser Since most of what you posted here is vague speculation from people who have about the same medical credentials as the average person in this thread (minus a few notables of

That’s talking shite .mate. At least own it

Old-Dutch

Lol. Is that a serious response?

Old-Dutch

Educate yourself before talking absolute shite ffs.

Dr Robert Malone - one of the founders of the mRNA technology platform itself - who called it out from the start - it wasn’t safe. He knows as much about this as you and I? Seriously? Pack it the fick in. You’re embarrassing yourself there

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Jf1bApYAAAAJ&hl=en

I’ll let you research Peter Mcullogh yourself. One of the most published academics of all time.
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LzqEaOkAAAAJ&hl=en

303abuser

Old-Dutch Educate yourself before talking absolute shite ffs.

Wasn’t talking shit, just asked a question.

Old-Dutch 😂

Old-Dutch

Can you please provide 1 (just 1) paper that shows the COVID vaccine saved millions of lives? We’ve been here before. I’m still waiting

Edit: don’t waste your time, because there isn’t one.

Old-Dutch

Guess it’s just a couple of (17,000) crazies - including the loom who built the technology in the first place..

RichM

Old-Dutch isn’t that talking about now, not back when covid was killing thousands of people around the world? I can understand why we don’t need it anymore, but surely back then it did save lives?

Lots of this stuff is now with hindsight and additional testing. Unfortunately we didn’t have that luxury when we were in the middle of the pandemic.

303abuser

Old-Dutch What we need is transparency , facts and the ability to assess our own risk benefit analysis with these things. I think we can all agree on this and I’ll leave it at that.

I do think any reasonable person agrees with that, including myself.

Old-Dutch You posted a video from an Australian politician with no medical background hinting at vague claims, that’s why I asked if you had specific concerns about the vaccine. It did save millions of lives and there are a ton of studies that back that up if you want to read them. If you choose to pretend they don’t exist, I guess that’s up to you.

Old-Dutch

The Australian politician was not making any medical claims. He was calling out the shit show of cancelling the study with no reason when it was about to publish results. You don’t need a medical degree to call shit like that out.

He was one of three people the other two are very highly medically academically qualified. Your point, to remind you, copied below says this.

Old-Dutch Since most of what you posted here is vague speculation from people who have about the same medical credentials as the average person in this thread (minus a few notables of

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on the claims of how many lives were saved. Horatio for Pfizer - I’m just off to get my tattoo

It’s a disgrace that the study was pulled. It makes zero sense to me to do this, but ho hum - it is what it is.

Old-Dutch

As per my original post, it’s a real shame they have decided to pull.the plug on the study that would have completely put this one to bed.

There are so many things wrong with what had gone on with the COVID response and you at some point. Need to ask yourself why so many policies (like jabbing kids in the USA and Australia) have just been reversed. What’s changed? COVID is still here. But the risks now outweigh the benefits it seems. That’s a big shift in policy. That hasn’t happened at the click of someone’s fingers. I’d wager it’s come from the results of a study that’s about to be burned.

With the regime change in the USA - get ready for a new approach to medicine. We’re all going to find ourselves a lot more informed about medication and this is a good thing.

RichM

Old-Dutch I’m guessing they are being reversed as the number of cases and deaths is much much lower than back in 2020-2021. That seems logical to me.

I’m guessing most people haven’t had one for a few years now, so not sure why you are making a big deal of this

Along_the_Wire

Old-Dutch What’s changed? COVID is still here

Like all viruses, it’s evolved and gotten weaker.

Along_the_Wire

Old-Dutch Get out of the pandemic quicker than we would’ve without the jabs

Homegrove

Along_the_Wire yeah this is it. People forget it started with mass graves in New York. Freezers full of bodies.

Old-Dutch

OK - we can all agree that the subsequent strains of COVID have been less potent / virulent / deadly.

We all did what we were told we needed to do at the time.

I disagree strongly with the statement that the vaccines got us out of the pandemic quicker. I would agree that they got us out of lockdowns quicker - this was an arbitrary decision by collective governments.

A lot of people are happy with the information we were given at the time and argue that it’s the best we could do with the information we had at the time etc. “the science has changed since”. That’s cool - everyone is entitled to their opinion and views on this. Most people are far more forgiving than me on this one - that’s on me I guess.

My question to you is: if it transpires that a hell of a lot you were told at the time was lies - are you still OK with this because it got us out earlier? I guess so, but I’m not.

It seems nobody gives a fuck about the fact that the study to determine the actual safety and efficacy of this vaccine using actual samples and subjects, post vaccination has been completely burned. Not one person here has even acknowledged this from my original post - I’m all for debate and scientific based arguments. But why kill the study? Doesn’t this concern anyone?

Old-Dutch

I’m not trying to say COVID didn’t kill people - it obviously did. A lot of people died from the virus - a hell of a lot more people died from other complications, but with the virus.A lot of people died from bad treatment of the virus. All of which were labelled together. It was mayhem - I get that - I’m not denying that.

I think now we have the right to question the response. We have the right to ask if we were told the truth about vaccines at the time. We need to be able to have an adult discussion over whether there were a lot of known risks at the time that we were not told about / we were lied to about. Again most people seem OK with this. I ain’t.

Let’s be transparent about the vaccine, the side effects and the trials that were used to determine the safety of the vaccine. Let’s be honest about the fact that the production method that was used in the trail was completely changed for the major roll out. Let’s be honest about the levels of significant DNA contamination in the jabs that is far higher than what has ever been allowed before.

Let’s be open to what is coming down the road - or has already come to many people. Don’t kill the fucking study

Along_the_Wire

Old-Dutch Honestly, Dutchy, I’m just not bothered - in my mind it got us to a better place quickly

Smallman1

Going back into a nightclub for the first time after the pandemic was one of the greatest feelings of all time.

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