The General Covid19 Thread

LT42

Hursty I’ve no clue about the health defects because I haven’t read up on it but the idea that they weren’t tested is false, thats all I’m saying mate. There’s nearly 40 years of mRna testing in the bank, they just plug in the covid 19 “code” and away they go. Like I said, 80k people involved in the testing.

Old-Dutch

There were a lot of anomalies in the testing. Unblinding the control group being a pretty major one. More people who took the vaccine in the trial group died than in the placebo group. Then they decided to vaccinate the placebo group.

That’s a major no-no for any vaccine trial and doesn’t meet the same testing standards performed for standard vaccine testing

LT42

Old-Dutch That’s a major no-no for any vaccine trial and doesn’t meet the same testing standards performed for standard vaccine testing

I don’t think medical experts and scientists were working through standard conditions, I think we have to concede that the whole process was unprecedented.

Smallman1

It got us back at the coalface lads, and that’s the main thing.

Old-Dutch

Also, the FDA, the US drug regulatory authority, tried to embargo the trial results for being released for 75 years. That doesn’t fill me with much confidence

Old-Dutch

I agree. But you can’t simply abandon a fundamental practice of a clinical trial to assess the safety of a drug (coincidentally only after more people who took the vaccine died than im the placebo group) and then at the same time claim that the vaccine trial underwent the same vigorous testing process that every vaccine does.

These 2 things can’t both be true at the same time, irrespective of the testing conditions at the time.

And what’s worse is that nobody was made aware of this either.

It’s not like they don’t already have form for this:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/sep/02/pfizer-drugs-us-criminal-fine

Along_the_Wire

Old-Dutch they saved more lives than they cost, didn’t they?

LT42

Old-Dutch coincidentally only after more people who took the vaccine died than im the placebo group

Is this true? People straight up died from being jabbed during testing, or months after testing? No underlying health conditions? Sounds like a bit of sensationalism that.

Old-Dutch

Along_the_Wire

To certain age groups with certain health conditions I don’t doubt this at all.

I think it was an unnecessary risk for many others who are not dead, but living with the consequences now.

To be honest I don’t really want to get into a massive debate on this one. I’m just thankful I only had one mRNA jab and that’s all I’m taking of this vaccine technology.

Each to their own

Smallman1

You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

This is Chris Whitty signing out.

Old-Dutch

LT42

15 died in the vaccine group and 14 in the placebo group.

The placebo group were then vaccinated which fucked any ability to study longer term effects. There’s a lot of questions over the practices at the time

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

LT42

Old-Dutch out of millions saved I reckon that’s an unbelievable success, Dutchy, no?

LT42

People died from taking the Polio vaccine when it was first introduced too, lots were paralyzed. Are people really expecting this type of business to have a perfect score?

Old-Dutch

No mate. Of course. Everything vaccine has it’s risks.

But mRNA is a bit too risky to me going forward. That’s all I’m saying

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283

Old-Dutch

Think you’re missing the point of a randomised trial to assess vaccine safety but I’ll concede.

Yeah a massive success.

Mad_Cyril

Hursty
Real slam dunk that one

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