Sajid Javid especially can go and do one with his comments about big spike in deaths….

    Jules72 and Sir Keir wouldn’t have lifted restrictions in July and would have imposed a pre Christmas lockdown.

        Jules72 People in the U.K. finally beginning to twig that Onicrom may be the end of severe covid.. remember this projection of a range of deaths of 25k-75k by the end of April…. A little more than 2 weeks ago… these numbers looked stupid then and even more stupid now..

        Jules72 Sajid Javid especially can go and do one with his comments about big spike in deaths….

        Get a load of Captain Hindsight here - who only a couple of weeks ago was still was happy to allow further restrictions, including the closing of nightclubs, “to avoid” the so-called “worst case scenario” - which was always a million miles off being a reality.

              alistair and Sir Keir wouldn’t have lifted restrictions in July and would have imposed a pre Christmas lockdown.

              Yep, one need only look at the absolute clusterfuck of Welsh Labour and the SNP to see how totally unnecessary so many of the restrictions are and have been, and to register the extent to which they’re motivated by political and temperamental viewpoints.

              Generally those leaning socialist have been much more risk averse and lacking in minerals, so have been much more keen to hunker down and impose restrictions.

              Furthermore, as they and their supporters are more likely to work in the public sector or low-paid roles, and less likely to be “wealth creators” they’re much more happy to see the economy trashed and dynamism reduced.

                hugopal errr no… go back and look at what I saying early on on Omicron… you don’t understand what my arguments are, so let me help you: 1) it’s likely the end of severe covid… been saying that for a long time, 2) in the short sharp Omicron spike we are seeing, it’s ridiculous and inconsistent to be contemplating lockdown AND still have stuff like nightclubs open, 3) I said on this forum the worst case scenario of 25k best case deaths was way too pessimistic..get it now you Fckng moron?

                Now go and have a wank in your bedroom and get it out of your system alright?

                    Jules72 2) in the short sharp Omicron spike we are seeing, it’s ridiculous and inconsistent to be contemplating lockdown AND still have stuff like nightclubs open… get it now you Fckng moron?

                    Nope - the point is that despite your sometime scepticism on Omicron, your automatic response when another lockdown was being contemplated again was not to pushback on it and point out as I had that it was completely absurd that they were even being contemplated at all to begin with. Your inclination was still capitulation and compliance, and that the government should have locked down sooner, rather than later if they were considering it, as opposed to them rejecting the idea completely, which was ultimately the correct course.

                    And as I’ve pointed out with the nature article that vinny posted, and also in light of the demographics of club goers, just closing nightclubs would do bugger-all other than further damage the industry which, by virtue of your being on this board, one would have imagined you should rather be supporting. However, perhaps you are in fact so much of a “jaded” clubber that you don’t mind the sector being destroyed for what is repeatedly being shown as pointless excuses. You suggested we should remain “cautious” and claimed it was “simple risk management” your words - rather than it being simple needless exceessive risk aversion and puritanism with costly consequences.

                        I still think we need restrictions now. Not because it’s dangerous with vaccines, but because the society won’t function with half the population isolating at the same time. People will die because the nursing staffs are down due to everyone being on sick leave with covid. Just read about a testing station in the US being closed because everyone working there had covid.

                          That costs a lot too Hugo you dumb fuck.

                          hugopal “ Nope - the point is that despite your sometime scepticism on Omicron, your automatic response when another lockdown was being contemplated again was not to pushback on it and point out as I had that it was completely absurd that they were even being contemplated at all to begin with. ”

                          No… I was unsure whether a lockdown was required. That tiny brain of yours doesn’t seem to understand that the NHS is short of perhaps 15% of its staff and that there is a chance bed occupancy reaches 100%, particularly in London over the next 1-2 weeks, and then no one gets the health care they need from that point on.

                          In view of that, If freedoms are to be retained for some hospitality and withdrawn for others, 95% of people would choose clubs to be closed and (say) restaurants to be left open. Clubs and mass gatherings spread the virus rapidly, so if there are to be any restrictions, it makes sense for those to be shut down…. It’s not rocket science. 🤦‍♂️

                          Also get into your thick skull that this omicron spike will be short and sharp… any closures would be 2-3 weeks to get the NHS through the very short term.

                              Jules72 No… I was unsure whether a lockdown was required.

                              Erm… exactly, because it wasn’t required - so yes you’re now being “Captain Hindsight” with your posturing in downplaying Omicron, when a few weeks ago you still seemed open to supporting any further restrictions which the government had been considering based on their bullshit numbers.

                              Jules72 In view of that, If freedoms are to be retained for some hospitality and withdrawn for others, 95% of people would choose clubs to be closed and (say) restaurants to be left open

                              What is popular amongst the masses, and what is correct, are not always the same thing - just look at Brexit. Plus, why is it that you’re even advocating for what the masses might think when it would damage your own interests?! You seem content to have a tyranny of the majority.

                              Jules72 Clubs and mass gatherings spread the virus rapidly

                              Again, go back to the nature article which vinny posted; closing nightclubs would do bugger-all.

                              Jules72 Also get into your thick skull that this omicron spike will be short and sharp… any closures would be 2-3 weeks to get the NHS through the very short term.

                              Sure, “two weeks to flatten the curve”; dipshit.

                                      Homegrove but because the society won’t function with half the population isolating at the same time

                                      And how much of this is also complete bullshit and unnecessary?! Again, prior to covid when people caught a cold, or god-forbid the flu, they just took time off if/when they were feeling ill and then came back when they were improved.

                                      Now we’re literally forcing people to isolate for a week+ even when they have zero symptoms, as well as forcing people they’ve been in contact with to isolate even when they have no symptoms and may even be negative. And all this for something which in Omicron is certainly no more deadly than the flu, and potentially even less so.

                                      Plus, even based on the earlier waves prior to Omicron, as per the study in my post last week cutting back key health services because of Covid such as cancer screenings and treatment could be leading to as many life years lost as potentially prevented.

                                        Its pretty crazy (predictable) to watch the pivot the White House has made during the past week. 2000
                                        deaths a day is suddenly a win, and 5 days of isolation for a symptomatic cases is plenty. They are going to make sure the economy is running with as much steam as the boilers will allow come Jan 3.

                                        Imagine being stuck next to Hugo on a long-haul. The stewardesses would run out of duct tape.

                                          Imagine getting a bumper sticker or yard sign supporting this bureaucrat worm

                                            zackster as per my post above, that seems like one of the few sensible things he’s actually said.

                                            Also, 2000 deaths per day is half last year’s peak in the US.

                                                hugopal Unfortunately, I don’t disagree that the death rate is greatly improved. My point about Fauci being a lying shitcunt piece of fucking shit is based around the fact that he was the same mouth piece warning about the danger that the a symptomatic posed to the high risk community. He kept saying this well after vaccines were widely available. The only thing that changed his tune was that the CEO of Delta threw a massive fit that no one would be working in the airports to plunge the jug hooters’ tampons and elephant shits down the toilets.

                                                    hugopal as per my post above, that seems like one of the few sensible things he’s actually said.

                                                    That’s exactly what HG pointed out earlier. The exact same thing, Hugo. You’re all over the fuckin place. Arguing in an empty room would be a delight for you I’d say.

                                                      The #INSIGHT in this thread today is SEARING MY FUCKING EYEBROWS OFF.

                                                      Give it a rest you BERKS, things change

                                                        Mad_Cyril Give it a rest you BERKS, things change

                                                        this is what Cyril said to his family when the first lockdown was announced.