The General Covid19 Thread

zackster

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/20/health/moderna-booster-omicron-bn/index.html

vinnyt77

alistair Yeah - think there was a disclaimer on timing / efficacy of boosters towards the bottom of the summary. Might be an artefact of the double vax + booster combo being so powerful against Delta, that Omicron is the only variant of note/risk?

RichM

Booster jab done this morning. Really hope no side effects as I got to do the Xmas dinner tomorrow lunchtime.

vinnyt77

RichM I had the Pfizer vaccine for my booster. Dead arm for a coupla days, and had a really weird fever/shakes episode in the middle of the night - about 15 hours after I had the jab. Lasted 4-5 hours, then was fine again. First two jabs were AZ… 👍️

Jules72

Got to say I have an issue using boosters that were designed for the original strain… there is clearly a big drop in efficacy and boosters apparently will only last 2-3 months before protection drops off substantially… we can take these vaccines every month at an extreme but that of course is unlikely to be healthy… much better to get these vaccines modified for the current strains so we only have to take them once a year

vinnyt77

Jules72 Yes and no IMO. If they provide some short term protection against this variant that we all hope is gonna be the last major variant of the pandemic, then have at it.

Not long-term sustainable/sensible though…

Along_the_Wire

Jules72 two AZ and a Pfizer is 70% and you’re highly protected against serious illness. More than happy with that for now.

RichM

vinnyt77 I had Pfizer fir my first 2, this one Moderna. Hoping a dead arm is all I will get. Don’t want anything to get in the way of early morning boozing tmrw

Funky

I got slaughtered on here for mentioning the 3 months efficacy, Israel already have the 4th booster lined up now. My hope is for Omicron to be the journey to the end of all this we have so many anti viral drugs coming and potentially a single dose vaccine, which i would be more than happy to take instead of 3 or 4 a year.

Along_the_Wire

Funky My hope is for Omicron to be the journey to the end of all this we have so many anti viral drugs coming and potentially a single dose vaccine

Until then, I’m happy with jabs. Why wouldn’t you be?

Smallman1

I’d take a jab a month if it meant I could continue to ledge it al the coalface.

Jules72

vinnyt77 yeah agreed - if this is the last one…

Interesting question though is who decides the new modified boosters should be produced? It won’t be the pharmas because they stand to make more money from vaccines that are used as regularly as possible… so I guess governments would have to tell them they won’t purchase their vaccine unless they’re modified

Funky

Along_the_Wire If your needing 3 or 4 a year in-between the efficiency waning between each dose that just isn’t good enough is it leaves to much room for issues. A single dose just like flu jab sounds way more efficient to me or even better a covid pill prescribed to anyone who catches covid that would sort so many issues including stupid mandates and hospitals filling up, covid pills will be very important going forward and esp might sort the anti vax issue.

vinnyt77

Jules72 Interesting question though is who decides the new modified boosters should be produced? It won’t be the pharmas because they stand to make more money from vaccines that are used as regularly as possible…

Yeah - it’s a bit of a mess huh? I think the pharma companies will continue to push their existing products if (and it’s a massive if…) they continue to show efficacy against whatever emerging variant is out there. Again, let’s hope this is the last big go around on variant outbreaks…

That said, I read earlier this week that AZ/Oxford University have been working on an updated version of their vaccine specifically targeting Omicron.

Let’s hope this time next year we’re getting our first annual COVID vaccination?

Along_the_Wire

Funky You aren’t understanding me. Antiviral pills are only just available and they’re for when you’re already ill with the fucking thing and there’s more work required on single jabs. Until then, I’m happy with multiple boosters.

Mad_Cyril

Along_the_Wire Antiviral pills are only just available and they’re for when you’re already ill with the fucking thing and there’s more work required on single jabs.

Also lined up for more vulnerable groups / immunocompromised etc…

Funky

Along_the_Wire https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1540194/covid-home-pills-deal-omicron-sajid-javid-hospitalisations

No they are for when you become infected. Given at the early stage to prevent progression to more worse symptoms or hospitalisation.

Along_the_Wire

I’d imagine they’re a doddle to get hold of. You sure the tech on those haven’t been rushed and that we know all the long-term effects?!

Funky

Along_the_Wire Don’t no same goes for anything related to this man made flu but at least you only take it if you get the bloody thing.

Would also add to that it seems to work for all strains including Omicon, also good for people with needle phobia, anxiety and possibly anti vaxxer’s so sounds like a game changer to me along with hopefully a more efficient vaccine that isn’t needed to be mandatory.

LT42

Funky the pills won’t come near the same level of output as the vaccines in terms of rollout, there are reagents and materials used in them that will be hard to acquire in order to meet demand.

Smallman1

Sigma up next on the variant front.

Can’t wait.

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