The General Covid19 Thread

zackster

Mad_Cyril Give it a rest you BERKS, things change

this is what Cyril said to his family when the first lockdown was announced.

LT42

Good news.

303abuser

hugopal You suggested we should remain “cautious” and claimed it was “simple risk management” your words

have to love that almost 2 years into this, cautious and risk management are concepts you won’t entertain.

hugopal

303abuser there are such things as being too cautious and risk averse.

England in being more brave in opening up earlier and avoiding further lockdowns is now reaping big dividends. Meanwhile continental Europe has completely fucked itself my being more “cautious” and delaying, which rather just had the knock-on effect of pushing the more dangerous Delta cases back to the winter.

303abuser

hugopal which rather just had the knock-on effect of pushing the more dangerous Delta cases back to the winter.

so you’re saying that restrictions are helpful at flattening the curve and capable of reducing the load on stressed healthcare systems?

Along_the_Wire

hugopal there are such things as being too cautious and risk averse.

England in being more brave in opening up earlier and avoiding further lockdowns is now reaping big dividends. Meanwhile continental Europe has completely fucked itself my being more “cautious” and delaying, which rather just had the knock-on effect of pushing the more dangerous Delta cases back to the winter.

I agree with this.

hugopal

303abuser so you’re saying that restrictions are helpful at flattening the curve and capable of reducing the load on stressed healthcare systems?

Are you Cathy Newman?!

At best they partly delay the inevitable. However, while also potentially causing potentially more life years lost than they save, and also generally fucking up people’s lives and livelihoods, and shifting humongous costs with zero benefits to younger generations.

There is and was excessive panic every winter about supposed over-burdened health systems every winter with flu. However, the health system should exist to save lives; society shouldn’t be destroyed to just ease things for the health system.

Smallman1

LT42 Imagine being stuck next to Hugo on a long-haul. The stewardesses would run out of duct tape.

Lol!

303abuser

hugopal Are you Cathy Newman?!

no idea who that is.

hugopal At best they partly delay the inevitable.

yep, that’s the point. delay to keep hospitalizations low enough to continue regular care and procedures along side covid treatment.

hugopal There is and was excessive panic every winter about supposed over-burdened health systems every winter with flu.

are you referring to any particular place? i’ve never seen that here, not once ever.

hugopal

303abuser no idea who that is.

UK news journalist who conducted one of the most painfully embarrassing, abysmal interviews (from an interviewer’s perspective ) in our TV history.

303abuser yep, that’s the point. delay to keep hospitalizations low enough to continue regular care and procedures along side covid treatment.

Lol:
“to keep hospitalizations low enough to continue regular care and procedures along side covid treatment.”
like fuck is that what they’ve been doing, you disingenuous prick. Look at the years being lost to delayed cancer screenings and treatments from excessive lockdowns.

And as I said, even then they only “partly” kick the can down the road, and sometimes they fail at even doing that - for instance Wales’ two week “circuit breaker” lockdown last year did absolutely bugger -all.

Ultimately, they create more problems than they solve, and they cost far more than is justified.

303abuser are you referring to any particular place? i’ve never seen that here, not once ever.

And it’s surely not just a UK meme.

zackster

You don’t say

jonattonyeah

zackster

Oh good grief. Fauci doesn’t make these decisions on his own, in some weird vacuum. He’s just the messenger.

We were going to move to 5 days either way, if the NIH and CDC were on board or not. And, yes, part of the motivation is economic given the safety net of additional unemployment is no longer in place. It’s not to help businesses out, but hourly employees. People were also avoiding getting tested ’cause they didn’t want to lose work. That’s not ideal. Is it perfect? Nothing about any of this is and it’s a moving target, but we have to make compromises. The data we have so far says vaccinated and asympotmatic don’t pose much risk and this variant has a shorter incubation period. So the call was made.

For the places with lower vaccination rates, those fucking people aren’t going to isolate anyway so whatever. They have shown that they don’t care - well, until they show up at the hospital.

zackster

jonattonyeah I didn’t say he came up with it on his own. He was told to do it just like he was told to lie about not needing a mask. He is too busy working on the next scamdemic to concoct his own draconian back to work policies.

303abuser

hugopal mask mandates and social restrictions have a very clear, positive impact on hospitalizations/icu admissions. i’m not sure how it’s disingenuous to assert that fact. you can argue that some implementations have been better or worse than others, but we’re better off globally now than had we done nothing and just let covid run it’s course.

and i still have no idea what you’re talking about regarding a panic around hospitalization number resulting from the flu. guardian headlines aren’t healthcare data.

hugopal

303abuser mask mandates and social restrictions have a very clear, positive impact on hospitalizations/icu admissions. i’m not sure how it’s disingenuous to assert that fact

That claim is what I was stating to be not worth the marginal, if any, effects which occur from it. What I was calling disingenuous was rather your claim that lockdowns have in any meaningful way facilitated “regular care and procedures” to continue.

303abuser but we’re better off globally now than had we done nothing and just let covid run it’s course.

There is no way you can justify this assertion, certainly not right now.

Firstly you can consider how states such as Florida and South Dakota fared vs the rest of the US, and Sweden relative to the rest of Europe, or England now relative to Wales/Scotland/mainland Europe..

We are also still yet to see the full ripple effects trickle through from things such as: lack of treatment of other conditions, e.g. cancer; disruption to children’s schooling; the truly humongous extra debt accrued by governments to support lockdowns which will somehow have to be paid back in future; the rampant inflation and subsequent rise in living costs partly fuelled by supply shortages and bottlenecks; additional restrictions on personal liberty which may well be retained by governments even after covid has become endemic or disappeared. There will be plenty more negative knock-on effects which will come to light as well I’m sure.

303abuser and i still have no idea what you’re talking about regarding a panic around hospitalization number resulting from the flu. guardian headlines aren’t healthcare data.

It is/was a meme in the UK that literally every winter newspapers would have headlines claiming that the upcoming flu season is breaking/will break the NHS, so colour me a bit sceptical when the same claims get rolled out by the same sources with regards to covid (especially when they’re still being parroted even about Omicron). I’d be surprised if the UK was the only country which had this phenomenon to some degree with regards to its hospital system, the flu season and newspaper headlines.

Smallman1

zackster He is too busy working on the next scamdemic

HE NEEDS TO WAKE UP.

hugopal

zackster his own draconian back to work policies

How is stopping people who aren’t sick from needlessly isolating “draconian”?

jonattonyeah

zackster

Fauci is not the boogieman you on the far left and far right make him out to be. Nor does he have the power you imagine he has. You want to nit pick one decision here or there, missing the forest for the trees, go for it. You’ll only be making yourself and your small echo chamber even more angry. Hopefully one of the nutjobs doesn’t do anything too crazy.

Mad_Cyril

zackster I didn’t say he came up with it on his own. He was told to do it just like he was told to lie about not needing a mask. He is too busy working on the next scamdemic to concoct his own draconian back to work policies.

BERKlife

alistair

Smallman1 not easy when you’re about 85

zackster

hugopal because a sympathetic people can make others seriously sick, according to Fauci. Not my words, his. Which Fauci should I trust: Fauci from July who wanted to cancel my vacation or Fauci from August who wants to send me back into to salt mines?

303abuser

hugopal i think part of what you don’t understand is that it’s not the same everywhere. the same approach at the same time in different parts of the world will yield different outcomes. delta completely fucked our hospitals in this province back in september specifically because our government who shares you’re “who gives a shit” attitude removed ALL restrictions too early. when they put them back in place, the wave started to subside two weeks earlier. the approach you’re advocating for directly killed people and will contribute to all of the ripple effects you mentioned.

and i still can’t comprehend how you equate guardian headlines to a healthcare problem. stop reading that shit, we are all well aware, or should be, that for profit media doesn’t serve to provide unbiased information.

i’ve said here before that i’m in the get vaccinated and move on camp, but that isn’t endorsing a free for all when hospitals are on the edge of not providing basic care. that has happened here and in many other places around the world.

alistair

Along_the_Wire and the delicious irony of France, literally now awash with Omicron, banning travel from the UK a week or two back.

LT42

Don’t know if tents in car parks are a real possibility or who the hell this Prof is but she’s dropping some knowledge here..

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