The General Covid19 Thread

LT42

jonattonyeah Contact tracing is virtually non-existent though, right? And all the States that opened early are looking at steep infection rates versus those that haven’t opened yet seeing a decrease in rates. All the countries who’ve reopened for business - Japan, New Zealand, Australia, France, Germany, Greece - have all banned US travelers from coming. Trump holding an indoor rally this weekend despite the expert medical advice. I mean, could he and his admin do one thing right? Just one? Fuckin abhorrent.

For the “Greatest Country on Earth” its not a good look.

jonattonyeah

LT42

The problem is that we don’t have a functional federal government. There has been no coherent response. It’s been up to States and Counties. Some of these States and Counties believe government is an effective social and economic tool. Others do not. So in the Bay Area we’ve been good. Masks everywhere. Shelter in place was adhered to. Testing got off slow but that had more to do with messaging than capacity. Contact tracing has been good because people did what they were asked. So spread has been in shared roofs and shared workspaces like kitchens. Community spread has been minimal (it looks bad ‘cause the State defaults to community when a contact isn’t known, but after a bit of time we realize, oh, they worked at A Facility or lived at B). My case is still listed under “case of interest” as we don’t know where I got it from. We usually do. So that’s working. The Bay also trends young. Arizona? Fucked. Totally fucked. Places closing their borders? I swear California should do the same. We can handle it right now. Just fine. We can’t tackle the malfeasance of other jurisdictions.

Smallman1

Am having to watch Royal Ascot on tv instead of being there.

Another devastating loss to Covid-19.

Along_the_Wire

Some decent news - a cheap steroid that helps reduce the risk of dying by a third:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061281

Smallman1

Saw that, fantastic.

jonattonyeah

Jules72

See my reply above. The spike in cases was been due to contact tracing and mass rapid testing. We get one positive at one skilled nursing facility, we have a court order to get an entire staff and resident roster. We test everyone as best as we can. They refuse? We have a court order to keep them away from the facility. We’re getting a lot of positives due to this focused testing. We have just under 3,000 positives and 46 deaths. We wish we had 20,000 positives and 46 deaths. Don’t care about positives. The more, the better - as long as hospitalizations and deaths remain steady or flat.

LT42

I was reading how the Contact Tracing Bill that got passed had hit a snag due to privacy concerns on the apps, sharing of info to 3rd parties etc. It’s certainly nowhere near its supposed to be anyway.

jonattonyeah

LT42

That and some people just aren’t willing to share anything.

We had one dude who did the entire interview, which can take like 45 minutes on the phone, but answered “I ain’t telling you shit” to every question. I appreciated the commitment on his end, and the dedication of the case investigator to write that for every answer. A bit of levity we all needed.

303abuser

LT42 we have it here, it’s voluntary at the moment, so i’m not going anywhere near it. there’s no way they’re keeping the data safe and only using it as they say they are. call me crazy, but our provincial government is pushing this babylon health app too and it’s full of security issues.

LT42

jonattonyeah Rights before safety. Hard to get your head around it at times.

jonattonyeah

LT42

It’s America.

In San Francisco we allow severely mentally ill people to live in abject squalor because the Federal laws around involuntary treatment are so stringent. Oh that’s nice let’s allow this poor fellow to wallow in his own shit because freedom and personal right. These people cannot take care of themselves yet we are required to ask them if they can. The subjective over the objective is going to be the end of this place.

LT42

jonattonyeah Or let a swat team put 50 holes in him before he even knows what time of day it is.
The behaviour of the US over the last few years just confirms its no better than any of the banana republics out there. Capitalism is rotting it from the inside out and that gap between rich and poor isn’t going to slow down either. It has to properly implode at some point, maybe not in our lifetime but it’s inevitable.

Mad_Cyril

LT42 Capitalism is rotting it from the inside out and that gap between rich and poor isn’t going to slow down either. It has to properly implode at some point, maybe not in our lifetime but it’s inevitable.

Naively, I thought Trump might light the touch paper when he was threatening to strongarm the protesters.

Predictably its turned into the usual scenario where social media wankstains dissolve the impetus because they’re too self obsessed to see the bigger picture.

C_J

LT42 The problem with the US is not capitalism. It is almost universally accepted that capitalism is a force for good. Capitalism is the reason why many millions of Americans have long and healthy lives and why millions of migrants flock there.

The problem is actually lack of capitalism. When corrupt politicians get rich off the people or when corporations collude to rip off the public or contaminate the environment, or when wealth doesn’t flow through to certain communities or when police choke out perps - these are the dark recesses of society from which the light of properly regulated capitalism has been obscured.

Homegrove

From monday bars and restaurantsin Finland allowed to be full to 75 % capacity, serving until 1 AM, and to close at 2 PM. The situation permitting all restrictions will be lifted on 13th of July. Except for the limit of 500 people max, which will be lifted at the start of August, should the situation permit it. About 4 new daily cases now.

Nice.

Mad_Cyril

Good news Hannu.

Just need to stopnot being brought back in.

Hint: 1h17min mixes are ideal for selling to bars with restricted capacity 😉

Homegrove

Mad_Cyril I’m not taking any gigs this year. I have day job, and manage just fine. I have a few friends who depend on the extra income, and I’d hate to be in the way of that.

Smallman1

Am still being responsible and respectful.

Playing the long game on this one.

Kells77

I’m happy that I can work fully remote for my job, and that there aren’t any discussions right now about bringing people back into the office. My team lives all over the US and one even in Toronto, so that’s asking people to do a lot of traveling right now. I’m glad it’s not even a thought yet.

Jules72

Korea, China, Singapore all struggling to contain their own outbreaks… can you imagine what it will be like when Winter comes to the Land of Hope and Glory, and they’re all doing the conga up and down the block? The reason aforementioned countries will eventually contain these outbreaks is because either they have heavy handed authorities (China, Singapore) or they have citizens that give a shit (Korea)

bosstrabs

Jules72 There is also a high pressure of public shame/loss of face in East Asia. I feel I can comment on this with some experience having lived there. The pressure of conformity is such that in even an open multiparty democracy like South Korea, the average citizen would wear a mask if that’s what the majority does and expects and would actually feel deep shame being seen out in public without one (compare that to Britain and the US where no such compulsion to avoid being apart from the crowd exists). So it’s relatively easy to get people to follow orders such as those.

Hursty

Jules72 Does anyone think that a time will come if this persists whereby a decision will be made to save the masses rather than the few?
If this goes on and on the amount of families that will endure severe hardship and poverty across the world due to the economic situation will be catastrophic and tough calls will need to be made surely.

Smallman1

bosstrabs There is also a high pressure of public shame/loss of face in East Asia. I feel I can comment on this with some experience having lived there. The pressure of conformity is such that in even an open multiparty democracy like South Korea, the average citizen would wear a mask if that’s what the majority does and expects and would actually feel deep shame being seen out in public without one (compare that to Britain and the US where no such compulsion to avoid being apart from the crowd exists). So it’s relatively easy to get people to follow orders such as those.

I can’t work out if I’m tired or bored after reading this.

Think it’s a combination of both.

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