The General Covid19 Thread

zackster

😂

Hursty

Mad_Cyril Righto MC, so the death of David Kelly is not linked to at all to the fact there were no WMD found in Iraq, which was the principal reason for invading?

A real conspiracy, I must be right crack pot to think there may be some ulterior motive

On a more related note, I’m sat in the 15 min tent post Pfizer numero dos 👍

Mad_Cyril

Hursty
You were waffling shite about wars being started to sell weapons.

That’s quite a specific claim, albeit wildly unsubstantiated.

Fabricating WMD suggests motive for something, but you haven’t proven what the motive is by asking if the inspector was killed.

That’s a fairly unspecific response.

It’s pretty fucking simple.

You crack on though, I’m quite happy to be proven wrong.

Until then I’ll call you out on spouting shite

zackster

Not an asker of the tough questions is ol’ Cyril.

Mad_Cyril

zackster
He’s talking shite Zack, no difficult questions required

LT42

Mad_Cyril You were waffling shite about wars being started to sell weapons.

That’s quite a specific claim, albeit wildly unsubstantiated.

Not that anybody outside of specific circles can prove Hursty’s statement to be true but there is evidence to suggest it’s one of the main drivers of modern warfare.

Mad_Cyril

LT42
Made the mistake of opening up that Twatter thread, is what a rabbit hole!!!

If there’s a war, no doubt weapons will be purchased, else we’re down to bare-knuckle fighting or dance-offs 😁

To suggest wars are started to sell weapons is a considerable leap

zackster

If the war was started over oil, which it was, then the sustaining force was obviously weapons sales. Is that what is being debated?

LT42

zackster this is the Covid thread, but what war are you talking about, Z?

zackster

LT42 “War on Terror” aka Afghanistan
and Iraq.

Smallman1

A tough winter beckons, thankfully I’ve got a large supply of minerals -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58322882

LT42

Smallman1 here’s a good thread on that very subject that explains the whole shooting match in a way that BBC are incapable of

NasserAlazzawi

I haven’t got an issue getting booster jabs after my original two, however one does wonder if the jabs were designed like this by Astra etc. to maximise profits. Maybe in the time frame it wasn’t possible to explore all the options, it could just be a handy coincidence.

vinnyt77

NasserAlazzawi one does wonder if the jabs were designed like this by Astra etc.

I’m no apologist for the pharmaceutical industry, who are generally evil, money-grabbing cunts. However, in this case, I don’t think there’s a conspiracy to theorise… Vaccine efficacy reducing over time is nothing new. The flu vaccine requires an annual booster not just because there are new variants, but because the vaccine loses efficacy over time. Typhoid vaccines need regular boosters. Even the combined DTP vaccine gets topped up every 10 years.

You’ve also gotta remember that AstraZeneca are running the vaccine development and production programme as a not for profit initiative. Would take some seriously Machiavellian shit for them to massively over-increase costs for booster shots once they’re recommended to recoup the $20bn of lost revenues they kissed off with the NFP decision. Aside from anything, I just don’t think they’d generate business without a fair price, as Governments would look to other suppliers at a more reasonable price point.

Along_the_Wire

NasserAlazzawi AZ is non profit at the moment. The others are lobbying like fuck and increasing the pricing.

Hursty

Mad_Cyril Amongst several other reasons such as oil and natural resources as mentioned, yes they are.

The killing of Sadam, OSB and Gadaffi has really stabilised the Middle East, oh and look how’s it going over in Syria, killing Assad will solve all our problems.

LT42

Mad_Cyril To suggest wars are started to sell weapons is a considerable leap

Modern history and financial evidence shows this to be very plausible. Unless you can provide a real reason as to why they’re started, MC? Bear in mind the largest jobs program in the US is the arms industry.

Jules72

I strongly believe that the vaccine manufacturers and governments need to coordinate an updating of the vaccines - the current ones weren’t designed to counter the delta variant… the issue is that the next generation of variants will likely be a real problem - vaccines need to catch up to prevent that happening

Old-Dutch

vinnyt77 I just don’t think they’d generate business without a fair price, as Governments would look to other suppliers at a more reasonable price point.

https://www.ft.com/content/d415a01e-d065-44a9-bad4-f9235aa04c1a

Exactly what Pfizer have chosen to do - prices increased by a quarter despite already being in a for-profit model.

Along_the_Wire

vinnyt77 They are cunts. The US not approving non-profit AZ?!

Hursty

Lets keep any further discussion on war conspiracies here anyway

https://jaded-clubbers.com/d/1266-the-general-war-thread

Mad_Cyril

LT42
Plausible, yes. But wild statements on their own are, at best, theories.

Educational background is BA History, guess been taught to back up theories with evidence or bin them!

vinnyt77

Mad_Cyril PRIMARY SOURCES, PEER REVIEWED ONLY.

LT42

Mad_Cyril As I mentioned, unless you were in the war bunker you’d never know.

So we’re left with just 2 choices as to why they went to war in Iraq & Afghanistan - WMDs and Osama or oil and armaments profit. Which one is the wild statement or theory now?

Old-Dutch

It would be great to see the shares portfolio of the politicians who push for going to war.

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