You read what you like into it mate. Any accusation you feel I made was, like, totally correct and not you projecting.
Also, you seem to think public services are similar to private businesses in how they are financed and that they have to turn a profit. You are mistaken. That’s not how it works at all. Tax being compulsory and all that.
Christ you are a fucking moron. I’ll leave this one now
I have to say, as an impartial adjudicator, I think Wally’s gone off the deep end here.
Irrespective of whether nurses deserve it, you offer them more than 1% and the teachers, police and armed forces who are swallowing a freeze get the hump and their unions start making threats too. Before you know it, you have lost control of the public purse amidst a £350bn deficit that needs servicing. The spectre of inflation and rising interest rates is what keeps this government awake at night, not angry nurses. Nurses notwithstanding, anyone that has managed to keep working full time and escape furlough can feel fortunate in the current climate
Old-Dutch to be fair to @Wally its not the first time this week you’ve been called out for racism, after you saying you don’t want anyone drinking in pubs unless they’re vaccine certified, knowing fine well that the BAMErs are terrified of the jab.
i’m only joking of course. Wally is an absolute fuckwit.
C_J Wally is an absolute fuckwit.
Oh now that’s rich. The irony is palpable.
I joke. Just trying to get everyone at each other’s throats.
jonattonyeah peace and love to all my good man.
The day I allow any of the mongoloids on here to wind me up so I’m at their throats is the day I hang myself.
Until that time, peace and love to all….
Step back needed, Wal. Have a beer, chill out.
Very chilled mate. A most relaxing day, other than Newcastle being shit but what else is new?
Wally Newcastle being shit
Dave likes Stella so I wouldn’t bother discussing beers with him.
bosstrabs The budget is not out of control with regards to foreigners. That is simply not true by Dutch’s own figures. It really is the daily mail talking. Blame ‘the other’ (punching down on immigrants is always a winner), blame each other or blame whoever you like as long as it’s not the actual people responsible.
The NHS don’t decide pay rises. The government do by allocating the additional funds for said pay rises to them. Again, public services are not financed or run like private businesses.
Wally Public service fund allocation is based on what people have spent in the past and what they say they need. The NHS says ‘we need X’, the gov says ’you’re getting Y’.
Fine, but everything has tradeoffs. So what would you do if you were in power, raise NHS funding?
If so, cuts come from elsewhere - education, infrastructure. Or you raise taxes to pay for it. Or you print money and get inflation. Or you persuade financial institutions and foreign governments to buy our treasuries (in which case they then have leverage)?
OK I’ve finished eating and washing up so I can respond to this now lol. Irrespective of whether a service is already paid for or not, it still has a cost associated with it. I work in higher education and always have the argument made to me from academics “why should I cost my time into research proposals when ‘the University’ already pays my salary?” Often for multimillion / billion pound industrial companies
The reality is that the University is not paying for their time at all. It is essentially overseas student tuition fees subsidising the activity. Why should an overseas student be paying £25k of tuition fees a year so academic x can do research at a loss for a company like Google / Microsoft / Facebook/ GlaxoSmithKline who don’t want to pay the going rate based on a calculation of the time the academic is spending on their research? I’ll tell you something for nothing, the students aren’t getting the time they are paying for.
So back to the NHS. Why should the organisation not recover the cost of treating citizens from other countries in line with the reciprocal international agreements the countries have signed up to. Yes the service is already paid for by the UK taxpayer, but if you are paying out for the healthcare costs of your own citizens when they go abroad, surely it’s fucking madness not to be recovering your costs in the same way?
If we had a healthcare system where there were no waiting lists, an abundance of hospitals, beds, trained professionals to cope with the everyday needs of the country then sure. But not recovering hundreds of millions of pounds which could be used for new hospitals/ more staff / better equipment etc. is completely insane, no?
According to ONS figures, healthcare spending as a % of GDP has risen quite steadily in recent years. 10% now compared to 6.9% in 1997. Planned spending for the Department of Health and Social Care in England was £201.7 billion in 2020/21, up from £148.8 billion in 2019/20. It’s a myth that the May and Johnson governments have been starving the NHS.
