NHS pay rises

Step back needed, Wal. Have a beer, chill out.

Very chilled mate. A most relaxing day, other than Newcastle being shit but what else is new?

Wally Newcastle being shit

Dave likes Stella so I wouldn’t bother discussing beers with him.

Wally Personally, I think Dutchy has a valid point, if only that it’s how can the NHS let the budget run out of control in some areas yet deny staff more than a measly 1% pay rise?

I think the fact that the example concerns foreigners stoked emotions. His overall point is reasonable.

Wally Again, public services are not financed or run like private businesses.

But there has to be some control of finances, otherwise how do you finance a budget black hole?

Tax rises? Have other countries buy our treasuries?

bosstrabs Public service fund allocation is based on what people have spent in the past and what they say they need. The NHS says ‘we need X’, the gov says ’you’re getting Y’.

The NHS is chronically underfunded by Tory design.

Wally Public service fund allocation is based on what people have spent in the past and what they say they need. The NHS says ‘we need X’, the gov says ’you’re getting Y’.

Fine, but everything has tradeoffs. So what would you do if you were in power, raise NHS funding?

If so, cuts come from elsewhere - education, infrastructure. Or you raise taxes to pay for it. Or you print money and get inflation. Or you persuade financial institutions and foreign governments to buy our treasuries (in which case they then have leverage)?

jonattonyeah

OK I’ve finished eating and washing up so I can respond to this now lol. Irrespective of whether a service is already paid for or not, it still has a cost associated with it. I work in higher education and always have the argument made to me from academics “why should I cost my time into research proposals when ‘the University’ already pays my salary?” Often for multimillion / billion pound industrial companies

The reality is that the University is not paying for their time at all. It is essentially overseas student tuition fees subsidising the activity. Why should an overseas student be paying £25k of tuition fees a year so academic x can do research at a loss for a company like Google / Microsoft / Facebook/ GlaxoSmithKline who don’t want to pay the going rate based on a calculation of the time the academic is spending on their research? I’ll tell you something for nothing, the students aren’t getting the time they are paying for.

So back to the NHS. Why should the organisation not recover the cost of treating citizens from other countries in line with the reciprocal international agreements the countries have signed up to. Yes the service is already paid for by the UK taxpayer, but if you are paying out for the healthcare costs of your own citizens when they go abroad, surely it’s fucking madness not to be recovering your costs in the same way?

If we had a healthcare system where there were no waiting lists, an abundance of hospitals, beds, trained professionals to cope with the everyday needs of the country then sure. But not recovering hundreds of millions of pounds which could be used for new hospitals/ more staff / better equipment etc. is completely insane, no?

It would be great living an existance such as Wally’s without any degree of self-awareness. I actually admire how clueless he is

Old-Dutch This is all a quite interesting discussion. I don’t think we need this, or Wally’s ’you’re all mongoloids on here’ (yet I read and post on the board pretty much every day). Or CJ calling people uneducated and ignorant.

Old-Dutch So back to the NHS. Why should the organisation not recover the cost of treating citizens from other countries in line with the reciprocal international agreements the countries have signed up to. Yes the service is already paid for by the UK taxpayer, but if you are paying out for the healthcare costs of your own citizens when they go abroad, surely it’s fucking madness not to be recovering your costs in the same way?

If we had a healthcare system where there were no waiting lists, an abundance of hospitals, beds, trained professionals to cope with the everyday needs of the country then sure. But not recovering hundreds of millions of pounds which could be used for new hospitals/ more staff / better equipment etc. is completely insane, no?

Think you’re wasting your time here, the point you were making has been well and truly fucking missed

I’m actually from London so you might want to add Liverpool fans from London to that. If I recall correctly Dave was calling my kind a cunt in the footy thread earlier so it’s already been boxed off

Lol no need to apologise mate I fully accept I am a cunt for supporting Liverpool. Even moreso at the moment