The Climate Change Thread

Yeah, lots of it is discussed in the comments.

LT42 the aviation industry is leading the way in the use of low footprint SAF since 2008 and major airlines will transition to this with next gen aircraft over the next 20 years.

Yeah, I think a lot of people are worried that some half arsed green washing campaign from historically untrustworthy oil companies to be implemented at some point in the future isn’t going to save a planet that is on fire.

LT42 he makes no argument for what should replace this kind of long haul travel

Understandably, he doesn’t give a fuck about most long haul travel; holiday makers, business trips, private jets, fuck em all.

lets say it’s 50 / 50 if climate scientists are right and in how bad it might get. So it’s a 50 / 50 chance that in the next twenty five years or so we see wars around the world for resources like food and water, movement of people like we have never even imagined and whole load of disease thrown in to boot, lets say as bad as covid but possibly worse (my assumption is that most tropical diseases like malaria, cholera, yellow fever dengue fever are worse than covid). Holiday industry will be fucked, businesses will be fucked, peoples day to day lives will be fucked… so, maybe making the changes to how we live / eat / travel / shop etc. now is better than watching it all turn to shit in front of our eyes a few years down the road.

Anyway, those changes needed are so unpalatable to most people none of it will ever happen.

Homegrove agreed, I’m taking the train to Ankara on Wednesday and it takes 4 hours as opposed to 40 mins by flight. The station is down the road and I’ve books and plenty more to keep me busy. Nice for a change.

LT42 it’s unreasonable and also impossible to change overnight

It wont.

LT42 There were protestors on the track at Silverstone the other week and to call them ignorant would be an understatement given the advances Formula1 have made with biofuels. There’s a lot of ignorance going around and Simms just perpetuates it.

I get it, but you can’t expect perfection from a protest, you can’t not do something just because it can’t be done perfectly. I agree, the steel and concrete industries are far worse than the aviation industry, but protesting outside their factories or mines won’t get you a jot of coverage and won’t engage anyone at all. Formula 1, sports in general, holidays, flights, commutes, supermarkets… all things we know and can relate to, that’s where you need a visible protest.

I assume the F1 protests where to do with their air miles as a sport rather than what they put in the cars? Anyway, imagine the likes of Ecclestone or whoever now owns F1 giving a fuck.

Smallman1 I’m not sure you’re designed for trains Ed!

Amps I assume the F1 protests where to do with their air miles as a sport rather than what they put in the cars? Anyway, imagine the likes of Ecclestone or whoever now owns F1 giving a fuck.

From what I read they were protesting fuel consumption. If you’re going to protest you should at least understand the scope of what you’re protesting for.
I don’t think coverage makes the slightest bit of difference anyway. The Tour de France has had protesters sitting in the middle of the road which held the race up and they got coverage, as of this minute nobody knows what they were protesting for.
Unfortunately these kinds of groups still haven’t found a way to protest effectively without coming off as total amateurs and time wasters.

LT42 I don’t think coverage makes the slightest bit of difference anyway.

I disagree, Extinction Rebellion have been on the TV and have been invited on to debates, they wouldn’t have done that without the protests, and as such, they are in the public consciousness.

LT42 Unfortunately these kinds of groups still haven’t found a way to protest effectively without coming off as total amateurs and time wasters.

I’m not sure there is anything else they can do, if you don’t have money or power it’s very difficult. Plus, they have history on their side, which says direct action works.

Calm down lads. Your great grandparents were doing colonialism in twice the heat you’re currently experiencing.

LT42 You suggest they do nothing for fear of being a ‘nuisance’?

Amps no, the perception of protests from the public is that they’re a nuisance because they can’t find a way to protest effectively.

Boyan Slat and his Ocean Cleanup project have done far more for the environment than any of these protest groups have done. Effective proactive work rather than chaining yourself to your mate in the middle of a sporting event is a far better solution imo. Of course there are costs involved, maybe I’m not aware but have Extinction Rebellion rolled out any projects that tackle the problem head on?

That’s a bit apples and oranges in the comparison though. One kid with one objective, who got some backing, vs a disparate group of people from all over the globe.

Also, as we have just been saying, effectiveness is key. ER want change where it matters, at governmental level, which could truly have an impact on the environment. Individual people, regardless of their innovation and application are unlikely to make the kinds of changes needed.

Again, I wouldn’t worry too much about it, nothing will change. And their protests are hardly destroying sport at the moment, you can stay tuned in.

Amps Also, as we have just been saying, effectiveness is key. ER want change where it matters, at governmental level, which could truly have an impact on the environment. Individual people, regardless of their innovation and application are unlikely to make the kinds of changes needed.

Again, I wouldn’t worry too much about it, nothing will change. And their protests are hardly destroying sport at the moment, you can stay tuned in.

I hear ya but Slat is clearly more effective not just in raw numbers and actual progress than these groups as we both know ER are pissing into the wind by trying to change Govt policy. Last Friday his new System 002 lifted 77 tons of plastic out of one area of the Ocean. That’s real progress.
Until the large Corps decide to shift Govt policy nothing will change which is why more direct projects are far more effective at this point.
I wouldn’t say any protests are destroying sport either, they’re just ill prepared and pointless which defeats the purpose.

LT42 That’s real progress.

I think they’re both pissing in the wind. It’s only progress if less than 77 tons where dumped in the ocean the day before.

Nobody will win, nothing will change. Planet is fucked, nobody cares.

The US military is the #1 polluter on the planet. Until you deal with them, nothing matters.

zackster
Are you saying we should take them out Zacko

Smallman1 Why are you even in this thread? You know it’s well above your reading level.

Amps I think they’re both pissing in the wind. It’s only progress if less than 77 tons where dumped in the ocean the day before.

One day’s work taken as an example is all, for a project that will continue day to day until the area is cleared before moving on to other areas. The long term strategy and investment for the project tied in with startups that will use the gathered plastic for other purposes seems a far better long term solution than going on TV and debating and ultimately doing nothing imo.

Smallman1 Lollers, I’ll keep using small words then!

LT42 going on TV and debating and ultimately doing nothing imo.

If they gain support and move the Overton window, then I’d say it has value. But in reality we’re debating something and nothing, like how many brain cells Ed actually has, nobody will ever know, nobody will ever care, nothing will change, the planet is fucked.

Ashoka seems to have a few Maris Pipers on his shoulder.

Some direct action, Amps, me ole crusty mucker

Croydon is too far from Westminster or Downing Street to make a difference, although I think most of them would rather die than actually do anything. Probably too late anyway.

Amps
I ended up driving around the M25 today and London looked like it had been bombed .

The disposable BBQ and Fireworks lobby are looking at a big work load tomorrow… oh wait, sorry, no they aren’t because nothing will change.

Lol Bernie and his piss bag. Got flogged by Killary and is clearly senile. He’ll make more of a headline dying.

Cankles-McJeggings it should be illegal for anyone over 70 to run for president

Cankles-McJeggings He’s not wrong though, is he?

alistair it should be illegal for anyone over 70 to run for president

Agreed. I’ll go one further. It should be illegal for anyone that says they want to be President to run for President (or Prime Minister, or Chancellor or…)