Ukraine war (WW3)

Mick_Morgan

And only if they agree to pick fruit in spalding, obvs

alistair

I could do with new cleaning lady

Smallman1

‘We’ forced Vlad into invading Ukraine?

Behave.

Lasersight

Amps he doesnt want it as a buffer country. Have a look at this https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-new-ukraine-essay-reflects-imperial-ambitions/

Amps

Lasersight Understood. That was written after 2008 though? After NATO changed their stance? So he knew he was getting boxed in? Started ramping up the rhetoric, knowing he was gonna have to throw a punch?

Hursty

Smallman1 Are the NI not allowed into Ireland?

alistair

You can’t blame Vlad, he’s just misunderstood. Its all NATO’s fault

Amps

alistair Thats’s a weak appeal to emotion / straw man argument / what-about-ery rather than a discussion of what appear to be the facts. War is horrible, end of. But why we are where we are is worthy of more analysis than just reading the headlines.

hugopal

Amps War is horrible, end of. But why we are where we are is worthy of more analysis than just reading the headlines.

Lol, “NATO made Vlad do it” is hardly much in the way of “analysis”. Putin may have felt “boxed in” as you say, but then so what?! NATO has had borders with Russia for ages, it’s not as if they’re ever actually going to invade Russia though.

And by invading Ukraine he’s only served to box himself in even more.

alistair

Amps Talk about delusional. Your facts are not facts. They are as distorted as the propaganda Putin spews out. Explaining away his actions as he mercilessly targets evacuees

LT42

A reminder of the word ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): someone who loves to hold forth/criticise on matters they know next to nothing about.

Amps

LT42 Thanks Susie! 😆

Amps

bosstrabs This is well worth 20 minutes of everyone’s time, and not worth rejecting outright just because Hitchens is a pompous conservative twat.

Behave yourself Dave, we’ve already been over this, the boards heavyweight politicos have blown all of this out of the water way back when. Putin is a ‘NUTTER’ and that is the end of it!

alistair still peddling the old Putin myth of Western betrayal of Russia by expanding NATO eastward. You really are a pathetic little shill.

alistair Talk about delusional. Your facts are not facts. They are as distorted as the propaganda Putin spews out. Explaining away his actions as he mercilessly targets evacuees

hugopal Lol, “NATO made Vlad do it” is hardly much in the way of “analysis”. Putin may have felt “boxed in” as you say, but then so what?! NATO has had borders with Russia for ages, it’s not as if they’re ever actually going to invade Russia though.

Smallman1

Having lived in Surrey and boarding school in West Sussex, I felt boxed in by Hampshire but I got on with it as life was so good.

A lesson for Vlad I’m sure.

hugopal

Smallman1 you could’ve also felt boxed in by Box Hill and Box.

bosstrabs

Smallman1 Having lived in Surrey and boarding school in West Sussex, I felt boxed in by Hampshire

And even now, Millsy continues Hampshire’s relentless war on your stupidity.

LT42

alistair Explaining away his actions as he mercilessly targets evacuees

Other than watching a video that shows civilians and Ukrainian forces mixing together, can you show us how you know these civilians are being targeted specifically? They are out in the open, mixing with soldiers who probably have APCs and equipment close by. So unless you can prove that then all you’re doing is swallowing propaganda. Do you have radio chatter to prove your point or are you just talking out of your hoop again?

C_J

Washington has been pushing hard for this confrontation for years. Trump knew it and didn’t want any part of it. Anyone who opposes the industrial military complex is “in Putin’s pocket”

Lasersight

This article says that putin had eyes on ukraine in 2012 before the crimea invasion and when Yanukovich was president https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/putins-antagonism-toward-ukraine-was-never-just-about-nato-its-about-creating-a-new-russian-empire-177687

C_J

Lasersight I see this argument and agree these are valid points.

C_J

alistair

#Insight #Vision

Funky

alistair I actually couldn’t of imagined sleepy Joe campaign as president being any worse. I knew it would be bad but fk me.

Millsy

bosstrabs Bournemouth is in Dorset, you daft racist.

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