[deleted] It has in fact been found to be techno and trance, based on discogs ranking. Very close to peak time wrecking ball prog, is it not? Further more, it has been ascertained that it does not contain a riff like Tom Neville - Just Fuck or Alter Ego - Rocker. Two great representative tracks of the electro house genre.

No, it is not.

It sounds similar to something like the Vitalic tracks from the same era e.g.:

The riff could even be from Adult:

In fact, if you look at the (misleadingly labelled by discogs) page for the album that Midi Milliz track is on, you’ll even find a review from a bloke back in 2005 stating that he was initially disappointed by the album because it was a departure from their usual sound, and. I quote:
“The rest of the tracks [including Trace Function] are really nice, a bit less in my vein since I’m not a big fan of electro (they’re not electro tracks proper, just slightly influenced), but quite a pleasure to listen to nonetheless.”

I don’t see how there’s any argument that it’s very much a move away from prog/trance and towards electro.

    [deleted] It has been found that bt - fibonacci sequence on Gu 013, disc 2, track one, also possesses a distorted, arpeggiated metallic electro lead and bassline, and is, in fact, even closer to electro than anything Holden put out. what is more, it employs glitch techniques at the beginning of the track.

    It has some electro snarls in it, yes, but it’s also a 133 bpm breakbeat track with a punchy beat - it’s not a soft 124 bpm plodder. The bassline is also clearly not ‘electro’ - It has a fairly typical deep, ‘wobby’ / dubby breakbeat bassline.

        [deleted] Further trials must be carried out to understand why digweed also jumped the shark then, according to your claim

        They both jumped the shark.

        [deleted] Digweed and his company zoned on the more housey elements of the progressive sound, Holden focused on the more looping, arpeggiated trancey elements

        This is silly. Both moved towards a more electro sound. Holden’s ‘At The Controls’ was already more robotic and minimal, and less trancey and melodic than his already fairly glitchy ‘Balance’ mix only 3 years prior.

        The fact that Digweed’s biggest track on his label when the sound was beginning to change was the ‘looping, arpeggiated’ (not trance) Guy Gerber ‘Stoppage Time’ also says it all. And the other biggest tracks in his sets were probably those of Tiefschwarz - who were not “the more housey elements of the prog sound”.

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              hugopal according to our investigations, it has been found that certain tracks of DJ Stingray do not have the pinging bassline that you are calling electro, and even those of Industrial Bass Machine.

              for instance: compare and contrast

              Industrial Bass Machine - Devastate the Planet

              with Maara - One (Hammel implant mix.)

              You can hear that the synthesiser tones in the maara track are closer to Vitalic than IBM.

              It has also been found that if you wanted to make the case for electro, you would talk about the track Carl Finlow - Ghetto Server on Balance 005. Which does not have a bassline akin to midimiliz or Vitalic at all, but has a bassline close to breaks, and has bleepy sounds redolent of grime and dub step music.

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                  hugopal It has been found that Guy Gerber Stoppage Time was in fact ahead of its time and pioneered the later sonic directions of Armin Van Buuren, so it must be considered purist trance.

                  Observe:

                  As for Tiefschwarz, they are tech house, which Digweed was playing as early as 2000 in his communicate mix cd. Albeit our research has found it was the south london and not berlin tech house sound. Which in fact makes a case against the prog sound.

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                      Along_the_Wire our legal cross examinations have indicated that you have a hyperfixation with the female genitalia.

                        [deleted] it has been found that certain tracks of DJ Stingray do not have the pinging bassline that you are calling electro,

                        The lack of logic in this comment is mind-boggling.

                        [deleted] As for Tiefschwarz, they are tech house, which Digweed was playing as early as 2000 in his communicate mix cd. Which in fact makes a case against the prog sound.

                        Lol again, if you can’t accept that Freeform Five ‘Electromagnetic’ (Tiefschwarz Mix) is electro house and pretty different to what Diggers was playing earlier then you’re literally just making shit up and are a lost cause.

                              Along_the_Wire The irony of this statement is staggering, but Hugo, please stop encouraging the cunt.

                              Yeah I’m aware, that was my last post on the topic.

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                                hugopal It has been found that 1998 south london tech house is quite distinct to 2005 German mnml/tech house, in the same way that 1992 British prog house is distinctive to 1999 prog but belong to the branch of the same tree.

                                Please observe again:

                                with:

                                Could you show me where pure 1998 south london tech house existed in 2005 Berlin?

                                  Pretty accurate review in my opinion.

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                                    furthermore, it can be proven that 1996 Frankfurt tech house in fact presaged 2005 Tiefschwarz minimal in a quite direct and not at all coincidental lineage.

                                    Yeah, only a few tracks in but it’s a decent listen.

                                    Enjoyed the new Holden album.

                                    Cheers!

                                    Lol @ Flares writing essays spanning multiple days while Millsy is asleep at the wheel, standard.

                                    alistair Ooh. I’ll take that as promising. Dan giving a semi-thumbs up also.