James Holden

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But yeah, from that point with his Border Community stuff he disappeared up his backside with the more minimal/electro stuff along with everyone else. You posted a track from his 2006 ‘At The Controls’, but that mix was an example of him having almost entirely jumped the shark from the, already fairly minimal but still prog-laced 2003 Balance mix, to an overly noodley minimal style.

It has been found that no big dj was playing stereotypically late 90s progressive trance in 2006. our examinations must conclude that you are correct about Avalon Emerson on this point, but we cannot accept that he had jumped the shark and Digweed had not. to jump the shark would indicate a vibrant scene, which would have been abandoned to rot away. One of Digweed’s representative mixes from 2006 demonstrates to us that this was not the case and progressive elements were sought for below 135 bpm. But whilst it has been seen that Digweed and his company zoned on the more housey elements of the progressive sound, Holden focused on the more looping, arpeggiated trancey elements. Denying this as objective fact would seem to be akin to being a creationist to us.

Further trials must be carried out to understand why digweed also jumped the shark then, according to your claim. https://www.discogs.com/master/22640-John-Digweed-Transitions

hugopal

[deleted] Further trials must be carried out to understand why digweed also jumped the shark then, according to your claim

They both jumped the shark.

[deleted] Digweed and his company zoned on the more housey elements of the progressive sound, Holden focused on the more looping, arpeggiated trancey elements

This is silly. Both moved towards a more electro sound. Holden’s ‘At The Controls’ was already more robotic and minimal, and less trancey and melodic than his already fairly glitchy ‘Balance’ mix only 3 years prior.

The fact that Digweed’s biggest track on his label when the sound was beginning to change was the ‘looping, arpeggiated’ (not trance) Guy Gerber ‘Stoppage Time’ also says it all. And the other biggest tracks in his sets were probably those of Tiefschwarz - who were not “the more housey elements of the prog sound”.

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LT42 our tests show us that this is what you scream when you blow cocaine up peoples rectums. As such, it is inconceivable that flares can take this as anything but a compliment.

Along_the_Wire

Flares, haven’t you got another career to fail in, you massive boring fucking failure of a cunt?

hugopal

[deleted] It has in fact been found to be techno and trance, based on discogs ranking. Very close to peak time wrecking ball prog, is it not? Further more, it has been ascertained that it does not contain a riff like Tom Neville - Just Fuck or Alter Ego - Rocker. Two great representative tracks of the electro house genre.

No, it is not.

It sounds similar to something like the Vitalic tracks from the same era e.g.:

The riff could even be from Adult:

In fact, if you look at the (misleadingly labelled by discogs) page for the album that Midi Milliz track is on, you’ll even find a review from a bloke back in 2005 stating that he was initially disappointed by the album because it was a departure from their usual sound, and. I quote:
“The rest of the tracks [including Trace Function] are really nice, a bit less in my vein since I’m not a big fan of electro (they’re not electro tracks proper, just slightly influenced), but quite a pleasure to listen to nonetheless.”

I don’t see how there’s any argument that it’s very much a move away from prog/trance and towards electro.

hugopal

[deleted] It has been found that bt - fibonacci sequence on Gu 013, disc 2, track one, also possesses a distorted, arpeggiated metallic electro lead and bassline, and is, in fact, even closer to electro than anything Holden put out. what is more, it employs glitch techniques at the beginning of the track.

It has some electro snarls in it, yes, but it’s also a 133 bpm breakbeat track with a punchy beat - it’s not a soft 124 bpm plodder. The bassline is also clearly not ‘electro’ - It has a fairly typical deep, ‘wobby’ / dubby breakbeat bassline.

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hugopal according to our investigations, it has been found that certain tracks of DJ Stingray do not have the pinging bassline that you are calling electro, and even those of Industrial Bass Machine.

for instance: compare and contrast

Industrial Bass Machine - Devastate the Planet

with Maara - One (Hammel implant mix.)

You can hear that the synthesiser tones in the maara track are closer to Vitalic than IBM.

It has also been found that if you wanted to make the case for electro, you would talk about the track Carl Finlow - Ghetto Server on Balance 005. Which does not have a bassline akin to midimiliz or Vitalic at all, but has a bassline close to breaks, and has bleepy sounds redolent of grime and dub step music.

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hugopal It has been found that Guy Gerber Stoppage Time was in fact ahead of its time and pioneered the later sonic directions of Armin Van Buuren, so it must be considered purist trance.

Observe:

As for Tiefschwarz, they are tech house, which Digweed was playing as early as 2000 in his communicate mix cd. Albeit our research has found it was the south london and not berlin tech house sound. Which in fact makes a case against the prog sound.

Along_the_Wire

The irony of this statement is staggering, but Hugo, please stop encouraging the cunt.

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Along_the_Wire our legal cross examinations have indicated that you have a hyperfixation with the female genitalia.

hugopal

Along_the_Wire The irony of this statement is staggering, but Hugo, please stop encouraging the cunt.

Yeah I’m aware, that was my last post on the topic.

hugopal

[deleted] it has been found that certain tracks of DJ Stingray do not have the pinging bassline that you are calling electro,

The lack of logic in this comment is mind-boggling.

[deleted] As for Tiefschwarz, they are tech house, which Digweed was playing as early as 2000 in his communicate mix cd. Which in fact makes a case against the prog sound.

Lol again, if you can’t accept that Freeform Five ‘Electromagnetic’ (Tiefschwarz Mix) is electro house and pretty different to what Diggers was playing earlier then you’re literally just making shit up and are a lost cause.

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hugopal It has been found that 1998 south london tech house is quite distinct to 2005 German mnml/tech house, in the same way that 1992 British prog house is distinctive to 1999 prog but belong to the branch of the same tree.

Please observe again:

with:

Could you show me where pure 1998 south london tech house existed in 2005 Berlin?

alistair

Pretty accurate review in my opinion.

Wally

alistair Interesting. Will give it a spin.

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furthermore, it can be proven that 1996 Frankfurt tech house in fact presaged 2005 Tiefschwarz minimal in a quite direct and not at all coincidental lineage.

Homegrove

Amazing bore off.

Mad_Cyril

Homegrove
But strangely mesmerising 😵‍💫

Thanks for snapping me out of it HG

Wally

Wally TBF, this isn’t bad in places.

Dan

Yeah, only a few tracks in but it’s a decent listen.

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