Sunak (General U.K. is Jaded thread)

benson

‘Overwhelmed’, ‘Enough is enough’.
‘Removed to Rwanda’

The ‘sad’ backing music doesn’t really make it any better for me,

‘People travelling through a string of safe countries’. I mean we could send them back to France when were in the EU but now we cannot.

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2022/11/21/uk-france-migration-deal-how-does-brexit-factor-into-the-plan-to-stop-small-boats/

This is all the doing of the Tories and Brexit. But now they are deflecting attention saying we are overwhelmed so we are going to lock people up without bail.

hugopal

benson Overwhelmed’, ‘Enough is enough’.

Firstly, how are these “awful”? By disagreeing that “enough is enough” you’d be tacitly endorsing that illegal immigration should be allowed to continue. Also, do you really think the UK has loads of spare capacity to handle migration claims? Over 50,000 migrants are currently being housed in hotels. Kent council have stated: “services in the county were at “breaking point” because of the rise in local demand and the cost-of-living crisis”.

Or what is the exact capacity limit for the country on processing illegal immigrants, and how close to it do you think UK authorities truly are from it?

benson ‘Removed to Rwanda’

Again, how is this “awful”? Are you therefore saying that Rwanda is an “awful” place? Maybe Rwanda is nicer and safer than the country they were fleeing from anyway?

benson ‘People travelling through a string of safe countries’. I mean we could send them back to France when were in the EU but now we cannot.

How is this awful? It’s certainly not wrong that they’ve been "travelling through a string of safe countries, Plus, “the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in” - therefore they have already broken EU law by passing through an EU country without registering their claim there. And that’s only the criteria for refugees btw - those who are merely illegal immigrants from Albania have zero rights to enter the EU full stop -whether to claim asylum or otherwise.

Also, pertinently, in absolutely none of this do you have a comparison with any language that was being used in 1930s Germany against anyone and how the scenarios are similar. Is this language truly similarly as “awful” as what the Nazi regime was saying? Who was even migrating in to Germany in the 1930s?! Most of the Jewish population of Germany would have been there for many decades already, not travelling in during the 1930s. Plus of the more recent arrivals, they were actually fleeing the war, mass persecution/genocide, and sometimes statelessness which happened to them in Poland and Russia during and following WW1 - i.e. they were legitimate refugees.

LT42

hugopal What a stupidly flawed argument that is - so as a hypothetical, if a member of the public says something like “I’d send every Jew in the country to a concentration camp” then that’s alright simply because they’re not actually in government and therefore unlikely to be able to fully carry out what they said?

That’s not what I said at all, which is a staple of your type of argument, imply things that have nothing to do with the argument just for the sake of arguing. The point you keep jumping around is the fact that what Lineker said is true, it is like rhetoric used by Nazis in the 30s and most would agree. The argument whether or not its too sensitive for some is a different matter.
Your hypothetical point about a comment on sending jews to concentration camps is idiotic and doesn’t need to be addressed as it has nothing to do with what Lineker said and nobody wants to get into a strawman argument with you lest they wake up covered in cobwebs.

You’re a fool. Let that be the end of it.

C_J

LT42 The point you keep jumping around is the fact that what Lineker said is true, it is like rhetoric used by Nazis in the 30s and most would agree.

let’s examine this point a little bit, shall we? Is it true that the language used by Rishi Suank & Suella Braverman similar to the Nazi propaganda in the 1930s ?

Let’s put it this way. I wouldn’t post any examples of Nazi propaganda on the internet because it would constitute an illegal hate crime. I can’t imagine Rishi Sunak coming out with something along the lines of “the Albanian people are less than human and must be eradicated from the face of the earth” but you never know.

Can anyone post an example of language from 1930s Germany that sounds similar to what our elected representatives have been proposing recently?

hugopal

LT42 The point you keep jumping around is the fact that what Lineker said is true, it is like rhetoric used by Nazis in the 30s and most would agree

As per my reply above to benson, no one in this thread has made any reasonable comparison at all of how the language and scenario is supposedly similar. Zero. Nada. No single reference to what the Nazis have said that is directly comparable.

LT42 as it has nothing to do with what Lineker said

It was referencing your justification for what Lineker said. Your claim was that it’s fine for a member of the public to spout incendiary bullshit because they don’t have the power to carry it out. I’m just demonstrating that your justification is nonsense.

C_J

I love how in order to defend Lineker people have had to invent the concept of “good nazis” (pre-concentration camps) and “bad nazis” 😆

I also love how the likes of Alex Scott, Micah “Laughing boy” Richards, Jason Mohammad and Alan Shearer have decided to “step back” from their (grossly overpaid, non-job) roles in “solidarity” with Lineker. The lot of them should be considered to have permanently severed all ties with the corporation imo if they feel that strongly about working with a corporation that is under the yoke of early 1930’s / moderate Nazi sympathisers.

LT42

C_J I love how in order to defend Lineker people have had to invent the concept of “good nazis” (pre-concentration camps) and “bad nazis”

Wow. 🤣

LT42

C_J recently

Is this posted genuinely?

I don’t think Lineker woke up yesterday and had an epiphany.

If I was a betting man I’d say Lineker had had enough of what he perceived to be an ongoing campaign of deliberate rhetoric used to stir up division and hate towards people not of their “type”, similiar to that of the rallies seen across Germany before the war.

I could be wrong though. Perhaps Lineker is indeed accusing Sunak et al of trying to create the perfect race and the plan to exterminate immigrants one truck load at a time has snowballed out of control. This will need further analysis. Whether or not this is Sunak’s intention or not remains to be seen but we won’t know until BRITAIN INVADES POLAND.

C_J

hugopal no one in this threat has made any reasonable comparison at all of how the language and scenario is supposedly similar. Zero. Nada. No single reference to what the Nazis have said that is directly comparable.

It’s almost as though they reject the very notion that an argument has to be based on empirical reality. I think there is an idea which underlies a lot of the thinking on the left: if it feels right, and we say it’s real, then it is real and it is right and things like “facts” and “evidence” are tools of the Far Right.

C_J

I think that what’s happened is that Lineker can see which way the wind is blowing, i.e. his wages aint going up anytime soon, and rather than have some suit at the BBC saying no to him he’s decided to create a hissy fit and flounce off in style over some point of principle, causing a big mess for the bbc in the process.

If the BBC had said to him “yes Gary, just write down a number and we’ll pay you it” there would be none of this shit.

He’s off to earn more money elsewhere and, just like Sturgeon’s gender debacle, this is all confected outrage for the Twitter morons.

LT42

The only claim I’m making Hugo is that you are an unbelievable tragicunt who would bore the fucking life out of an empty room with your strawman assertions, assumptions, claims, counter claims and treble tier shit posting. I hope the Nazis kick in your door and find you hidden in a piano.

hugopal

LT42 what a pathetic way to flounce away from attempting to answer the questions which point out the obvious flaws in your argument which you are incapable of answering.

LT42

hugopal I don’t agree with anything you’ve implied and therefore I don’t want to attempt answering to your bilge. Who the fuck are you demanding answers of people. A good dig in the head is what you need.

Homegrove

Me and @LT42 have had our cat fights, and I expect we’ll have more in the future, but it’s been a pleasure upvoting him in this thread.

hugopal

LT42 I don’t agree with anything you’ve implied and therefore I don’t want to attempt answering to your bilge.

You clearly attempted to until you had no ground on which left to stand. “it’s the same, trust me bro” is not an argument.

LT42

C_J Lineker tweeted “Language not dissimilar”. You have a bit of ken about you, CJ. Try harder or at least stop pretending you don’t know what he means.

LT42

hugopal until you had no ground on which left to stand

That’s that then. I won’t sleep a wink tonight. You got me.

C_J

Another thing you notice is that none of Lineker’s supporters attempt to engage with the substance of the issue. You’ll never hear suggestions as to how to disrupt the people smugglers. You’ll never hear concern for the well being of the kids drowning in the cold sea. You’ll never hear constructive language or workable proposals around setting up safe legal routes for migrants or making life better for the people trapped in the camps.

All you get is “Tories are scum”. Over and over again. Or “migrants welcome”.

LT42

C_J You’ll never hear suggestions as to how to disrupt the people smugglers.

Is there a suggestion box down in the cathedral maybe where these ideas will be taken seriously?
Here’s a suggestion, don’t vote to cut the UK off from the EU under false pretenses, then refugees won’t be incentivised to risk their lives crossing the channel so they can be protected by EU legislation. Imperical reality.

C_J

I know exactly what he means. He means “I’m done with the BBC, goodbye fools, bet you wish you give me more money now hahahahaha”

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