Sunak (General U.K. is Jaded thread)

Amps

But… I though Labour were all anti-Semites?

Homegrove

Amps as much I hate it, @C_J came with receipts, and there is an antisematic problem in Labor. Doesn’t change the fact that Zionists are using it to try to force the lie that all criticism of Israel is antisemitism.

Amps

hugopal

Amps “raversforpalestine” - putting the ‘moron’ in ‘oxymoron’.

Amps

Homegrove It’s okay, I’m not defending them, they’re a bunch of Tories, just like the Tories.

Amps

Homegrove there is an antisematic problem in Labor

And only as much as there is in the Conservatives and in the Libs.

Homegrove

Amps that’s true. And I stress that most of the antisemitic-charges come from opposing Israel. But there are some true cases too of Labor-people against jewish people, not just Israel. But I suppose the Tories are full of those people too, but hide it better.

gcw

Does the average voter care that much about perceived antisemitism amongst the main parties?

RichM

gcw I doubt it, I reckon the only interest most voters had was that it was something which could get rid of Corbyn.

Along_the_Wire

gcw Alistair only cares about the boats, lower taxes and a smaller state. And law and order, apart from his weekendly class As. Everyone else wants things to just fucking work.

alistair

gcw so why did Starmer expel/suspend Corbyn, Abbott, Osamor, Ali and others for criticising Israel. He’s the one obsessing about it

alistair

Along_the_Wire Mortgage free on two properties now, I am all about maximising my pension pot, holidays abroad and giving my kids a helping hand. The rest is all irrelevant to me

gcw

I think I’m just surprised at how much coverage it gets online and in print media. I’m not even sure what Labour are supposed to have done, just that ’they’re anti semitic '

whatever

I think you have to remember that racism and xenophobia are nailed on with the Tories. Labour’s ethos is against that, so they have to take a different approach. Plus, it is about signalling that they are departing from the old far left socialism Corbyn path that failed to secure Labour’s election. You can’t expect a country that has been gaslit and fed propaganda by the Tories for 13 years to just swing to a party that positions itself at the hard left. In a country with an electorate that doesn’t follow politics and lacks critical thinking skills, you’ve got to take baby steps.

C_J

whatever racism and xenophobia are nailed on with the Tories

Sunak, Patel, Kwarteng, Javid, Badenoch, Cleverly.

Lammy…… er ……. Abbott?

alistair

whatever Baby steps lol. With Reeves binning any meaningful spending commitments in her desire to be the party of business, not to mention Starmer’s continuing war with his nutty left flank, that’s all you’re going to get.
I might actually vote for them.

vinnyt77

alistair The rest

The rest of the country? Humanity?

Amps

vinnyt77 The rest of the country? Humanity?

Lollers, as if!

whatever

C_J

Sunak, Patel, Kwarteng, Javid, Badenoch, Cleverly. Lammy…… er ……. Abbott?

It doesn’t matter if the discriminator shares the same Protected Characteristic as the victim of discrimination, it will still amount to discrimination.

Enoch Powell, Thatcher (“Afraid this country might be swamped by people from a different culture”); Thatcher again on refusal to distance from South Africa during apartheid; Boris Johnson “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”, Windrush, Brexit… er…. Stop The Boats?

Smallman1

Amps Lollers, as if!

I know right!

C_J

whatever let me get this straight.

you’re saying the party of openly anti-semitic MPs and supporters led by white men are ….. not racist?

But the multi-ethnic Tories - made up of black, white, brown, mixed people - are the racists here, because of a speech made in the 1960’s and the fact they’re trying to prevent children drowning at the hands of people smugglers in the English channel?

I don’t believe you actually believe that. Be honest with yourself. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Why do only white people get into Starmer’s top team?

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