C_J england definitely are not lacking in quality

They are, they don’t have the ability to control a game against quality opposition.

Last 2 tournament exits illustrate perfectly. Both characterised by, second half’s in particularly, helpless inability to gain / maintain a foothold in the game because of the other teams ability to control midfield, the ball and ultimately the game.

That hasn’t changed. We still don’t possess that quality, someone who can control the tempo of a game (unless you count Hey WHere’s My Tyre’s unique ability to slow a game down).

A similar exit will occur when we come up against a quality footballing team. The only chance this doesn’t happen is

They play only teams with less quality than us, unlikely
They hit a hot streak in game, bag two or three goals and hang on.
They get lucky (see previous two!)

mono-stereo In terms of winning games at major tournaments he’s clearly been successful.

This is undeniable, however shit you think Southgate is tactically or whatever.

He has got further in a competition than Bobby Robson, Terry Venables and way further than Capello or Eriksson (who both had fairly talented squads at their disposal).

ScottBailey Well actually now you come to mention it, yeah, it’s about qualifying for a tournament in the first place. Somthing the likes of Steve McClaren and Graham Taylor failed to do.

    Poor Graham Taylor deserves a bit of credit he had Charlton Palmer and Andy Sinton at his disposal. England managers in the last 20 years have had the most talented players in their history underlining the underachieving, bottling, individual pre madonna attitudes that exist. Maybe it’s money self entitlement it’s hard to get to the bottom of it, but why is it in individual sports the English over achieve?

      I have pre Madonna attitudes. The only female solo artists I like are Nina Simone and Janis Joplin.

      Pre Christian attitudes. Basically all savages from the year 30 BC.

      Wonder how many participation trophies Shitegate has in his trophy cabinet from his illustrious career. Must smell like success in that room!

        ScottBailey Stop being a bellend Scott. There is only one international tournament you can win every 2 years. Alex Ferguson, Ottmar Hitzfeld and Arrigo Sacchi never won an international trophy either.

          Funky Charlton Palmer

          lol brilliant

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            bosstrabs Stop being a bellend Scot

            Sorry Dave. I can’t help it. It’s like a gag reflex when it comes to this tuna melt. Will let you get back to fondling his balls and telling him he’s the man!

            Brings to mind HUGO with a Sir Bobby shredded wheat haircut (they are both nonces too)