hugopal Palestinians’ are getting pummelled - 62% of them didn’t vote for Hamas in the last election which was over 17 years ago. Tens of thousand of innocent people are being killed.

This situation in the Middle East isn’t remotely comparable to the Nazi’s in the Second World War - quite an embarrassing comparison that.

There is no solution to be gained with the current strategy - Israel will not wipe out Hamas and vice versa, all Israel are doing is ensuring that there will be an even more aggressive version of Hamas emerging within a generation and it will be worse. Maybe if Israel helped Palestinians and lift them out of abject poverty and didn’t push its borders, they wouldn’t turn to Hamas

You (and Alistair) hold the same view as all the right wing muppets in The Times comments sections.

      Along_the_Wire I actually agree with Starmer who also doesn’t advocate a ceasefire. Hamas doesn’t want one and it would only embolden them. Any talk of one should be conditional on releasing all the hostages. The US should be using their influence to secure humanitarian pauses or whatever else they call it

          It’s quite clear alistair cares fuck all if innocent people die. Or he doesn’t view any palestinian as innocent.

            Homegrove no one could care as much as you H. It’s why you sit at home, scratching your balls and tweeting about it all day

              You could argue that Alistair is acting like a complete Palestine over Palestine.

              Couldn’t make it up if you tried!

              The Israeli government have been waiting years for a trigger like this so they can erase the Palestinian population and move in on the land. They don’t give a shit about civilians, its even possible they don’t even give a shit about the hostages, they just want the muslims out – and unfortunately most of the global governments are sitting back and letting them do it. I know im playing captain obvious btw

                nicksneddon its even possible they don’t even give a shit about the hostages

                Oh there is no question about this. Heros who died in the line of duty all. They will be remembered during the first pizza rave on the gaza beach.

                    Along_the_Wire Palestinians’ are getting pummelled - 62% of them didn’t vote for Hamas in the last election which was over 17 years ago

                    You’re just repeating yourself and not answering the question - should the allies have not “pummelled” the Germans purely because 62% of them didn’t vote for the Nazis in the previous election (which had still been 12 years prior by 1945)?

                        hugopal it’s not the same, I’ve been clear - you’re making another utterly mindless comparison as you did when you accused me of being worse than Hitler.

                            Since the Second WORLD War, where the Germans were trying to trying to capture an entire fucking continent, there have not only been huge technological advancement in combat, but there’s also this trifling international agreement called the Geneva Convention. Things are really quite different to the mid 1940s these days. Astonishing really.

                              Yes yes but do you condemn Hamas? Do you? I haven’t seen you say you have once! How can we even have a conversation if you don’t condemn Hamas?!

                                rhouses Is Hugo comparing the Nazi’s blitzkrieg during WWII with the Hamas attack on October 7th

                                It’s not only that attack - stretching back to 1947 the pattern has been that Israel was willing to accept a two state solution but it was the others surrounding it who invaded it first and would not accept it as a country. As is the case in WW2 - heck, as was the case following 9/11, or following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine - if you want to use different comparisons - typically when one country invades another and kills a large number of its civilians, that is usually a trigger for a larger scale war. If the Palestinians couldn’t countenance there being a war, they shouldn’t have launched an invasion.

                                And how many people precisely do you think an acceptable number be killed in the following war, as a response to Hamas’ attack - which also killed over 1,000 people? Should Israel be somehow checking every body to ensure that the age and gender of the Palestinians killed are precisely equal to that of the Israelis killed, because then Hamas - and you - would consider that to be a “fair” response somehow? Should they also be taking precisely the same number of Palestinians hostage as Palestinians have taken Israelis hostage - because that would be “fair”? Should they also be treating the Palestinian civilians the same was as the Israeli civilians were treated - in raping the women and parading their dead naked bodies through the street while desecrating their corpses? Would that be what you’d consider a “fair” and acceptable response? If Israel acted in such a way do you think it would make it any more likely Hamas would not attack again in future?

                                    zackster is it fair too simply assume that I don’t agree with murder, torture and kidnapping of innocent civilians, or is that just too much for people to grasp?

                                        Along_the_Wire when you accused me of being worse than Hitler

                                        I never said that - your head is clearly in a bit of a muddle.

                                        Along_the_Wire Since the Second WORLD War, where the Germans were trying to trying to capture an entire fucking continent,

                                        And the “entire fucking continent” responded with war.

                                        Hamas want to capture Israel, so Israel have responded with war.

                                        Along_the_Wire I’ve been clear

                                        You really haven’t, you’re still dodging the question. The notion that no civilians be killed when their country is run by a totalitarian regime that has waged war on another - just because there haven’t been elections in a while - is just fanciful. For one thing, you’d de facto be saying that any country could just become a totalitarian one and ban elections if it wishes to wage war and you’d allow it to do what it wants indefinitely without repercussions because supposedly the people are all in disagreement

                                        As an additional note - I’ve mentioned before that the most reliable opinion polls available have had Hamas support in Gaza at consistently above 50% across recent years.

                                        And besides would it then be alright if just the addresses of the people who voted for Hamas be targeted - if they had access to the voting slips?

                                                Along_the_Wire is it Palestine or Hamas that are attacking Israel? You seem to be confused yourself.

                                                As I keep asking you - and well done for my point finally seeming to sink in to your head to some degree - does it make a difference? In WW2 were the allies at war with Germany, or just the totalitarian Nazi regime which had banned elections?