Homegrove It’s just that the children’s deaths are so galling because people keep saying the people of Gaza voted for Hamas. In 2006.

rhouses The fundamental difference here is Palestine has a population that is 50% under 18, and the death toll has been consistently 50% under 18. And you can put your October 7th Hamas terrorism blinders on all you want

People on here - with comments like the above - are acting as if the allies shouldn’t have bombed Germany and marched on Berlin, and instead tried to broker a ceasefire, because not every German civilian would have voted for the Nazis in 1933 (before they also then turned their country in to a totalitarian, one party, single ethnicity state which invaded its neighbouring country and wished for the extermination of all Jews).

        hugopal Germany was not an open air prison at the time. They also had access to light and power at all times.

            Homegrove not that I’m disagreeing with you either.

            I know mate, likewise. We don’t have to debate it to prove which of us is right or wrong, and I wasn’t really trying to.

            Was more of a general observation 👍

              zackster Germany was not an open air prison at the time

              Yeah they were free to come and go in to France and Poland any time they wanted…

              What a fucking stupid comment.

              zackster They also had access to light and power at all times.

              Not when they were bombed.

              You really have lost your marbles in this thread zacko.

                  rhouses the absolute cognitive dissonance in this post when you think of India’s recent history. It still hasn’t even publicly criticised the invasion of Ukraine.

                    alistair what do you see as the favoured outcome - what’s the best Israel can realistically expect?

                      rhouses Palestine has a population that is 50% under 18

                      Here’s another interesting stat about Palestinian demographics:

                      “Among Palestinian Arabs the rate of consanguinity is very high and some 44.3% of the marriages are between relatives (22.6% of them between first cousins)”.

                      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9021024/

                        Along_the_Wire and 38% of them voted for them then

                        Hamas had the most votes of any party at 44%, with what you say to be 38% of the possible people who could have voted.

                        Funnily enough, in 1933 the Nazis also won the election with 44% of the vote, and that represented 38.6% of the potential voting population.

                        So following your supposed reasoning - and as per my comment above - should the allies have then tried to negotiate a ceasefire with the Nazis, and not have bombed them or marched on Berlin, because not everyone had voted for the regime?

                            Uuuhh the Nazi’s were the ones systematically committing genocide. Who is that comparable to in this situation again?

                              zackster err… Hamas’ stated aim is to wipe out Israel, and they would if they could. They also kicked things off by invading the bordering country and committing mass murder of their own.

                              Within their own borders they were also the ones who as with the Nazis killed their political opponents and ceased elections. They are also the ones who as a matter of policy persecute, jail, torture and kill homosexuals.

                                  Is Hugo comparing the Nazi’s blitzkrieg during WWII with the Hamas attack on October 7th, to justify why right wing zionists are slaughtering 1000s of children?

                                  And is Alistair demanding India apologise on Russia’s behalf for the Ukraine invasion to justify why right wing zionsits are slaughtering 1000s of children?

                                    hugopal Palestinians’ are getting pummelled - 62% of them didn’t vote for Hamas in the last election which was over 17 years ago. Tens of thousand of innocent people are being killed.

                                    This situation in the Middle East isn’t remotely comparable to the Nazi’s in the Second World War - quite an embarrassing comparison that.

                                    There is no solution to be gained with the current strategy - Israel will not wipe out Hamas and vice versa, all Israel are doing is ensuring that there will be an even more aggressive version of Hamas emerging within a generation and it will be worse. Maybe if Israel helped Palestinians and lift them out of abject poverty and didn’t push its borders, they wouldn’t turn to Hamas

                                    You (and Alistair) hold the same view as all the right wing muppets in The Times comments sections.

                                        Along_the_Wire I actually agree with Starmer who also doesn’t advocate a ceasefire. Hamas doesn’t want one and it would only embolden them. Any talk of one should be conditional on releasing all the hostages. The US should be using their influence to secure humanitarian pauses or whatever else they call it