mono-stereo “Palestinians” didn’t launch the invasion, Hamas did. Stop conflating the two.
Am I going to have to go through the same conversation with you as I just had with Grant?! The Allies weren’t just at war with the Nazi party in the 1940s, it was with Germany. Ukraine aren’t just at war with Putin, they are fighting Russia. The same is the case with this other totalitarian state.
hugopal You’re conflating a nation state with it’s inhabitants.
zackster Hugo and co love using IDF talking points and tactics such as this to dehumanize arabs.
Okay, let’s “humanize” them a bit more again (I have already given some info on their internal politics and demographics before, if you’d bothered to read).
You’ve tried to claim Gaza as being “an open air prison” - yet the Gazans themselves are the ones who effectively imprison their own women in the country:
“A Hamas-run Islamic court in the Gaza Strip has ruled that women require the permission of a male guardian to travel”
"The decision by the sharia judicial council, issued on Sunday, says an unmarried woman may not travel without the permission of her “guardian”, which would usually refer to her father or another older male relative. Permission would need to be registered at the court, but the man would not be required to accompany the woman on the trip.
The language of the ruling strongly implied that a married woman would not be able to travel without her husband’s approval."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/15/women-male-guardian-hamas-gaza-strip
hugopal there you go again, conflating “Gazans” with Hamas.
mono-stereo You’re conflating a nation state with it’s inhabitants.
Sure it’s literally the pieces of soil on the ground in the regions that was accidentally blown by air and in to the territory of the next country and started firing machine guns.
mono-stereo there you go again, conflating “Gazans” with Hamas.
Gaza is run by Hamas. What the heck are you even suggesting?!
hugopal Sure it’s literally the pieces of soil on the ground in the regions that was accidentally blown by air and in to the territory of the next country and started firing machine guns.
Quoted for posterity 
hugopal I’m suggesting that the people of Gaza and Hamas are two separate entities.
I shouldn’t need to spell that out to you really, but you seem fundamentally confused.
mono-stereo Cheers, I’m just so tired of all of this. Muppets have gone from being instant virology experts to geopolitical experts, it’s inane.
mono-stereo you too, stop the feeding the troll.
hugopal Okay, let’s “humanize” them a bit more again (I have already given some info on their internal politics and demographics before, if you’d bothered to read).
You’ve tried to claim Gaza as being “an open air prison” - yet the Gazans themselves are the ones who effectively imprison their own women in the country:
“A Hamas-run Islamic court in the Gaza Strip has ruled that women require the permission of a male guardian to travel”
"The decision by the sharia judicial council, issued on Sunday, says an unmarried woman may not travel without the permission of her “guardian”, which would usually refer to her father or another older male relative. Permission would need to be registered at the court, but the man would not be required to accompany the woman on the trip.
The language of the ruling strongly implied that a married woman would not be able to travel without her husband’s approval."
This is the crux of ur disdain for them isn’t it? They don’t live like us westerners. Its W Bush era Iraq and Afghanistan all over again. Once we are done women will be able to see U2 concerts and hold office jobs. Yay freedom!
They plan to drive every Palestinian out of Gaza and take it for themselves. Still not genocide according to a few here.
Homegrove Apologies hanu. I’ll bow out here.
mono-stereo fundamentally confused.
I like what you did there
Along_the_Wire I’ve noticed in The Times comments section that all the rabid right wing twats are against a ceasefire - all of them. I just don’t understand it at all.
It’s because they know that a ceasefire means Hamas survives which means another generation of people have to suffer the yoke of extremism.
If the brave Israeli soldiers can cleanse the land of terrorists, the Palestinians have a shot at a peaceful and prosperous future.
#NoCeasefire.
Woah. You’re out there in your own reality. You sound like a born again christian in the deep south of US.
Brave Israelis.
This thread’s gone to shit since the board’s moral compass and spiritual guru went awol.
#wherescanks
C_J If the brave Israeli soldiers can cleanse the land of terrorists, the Palestinians have a shot at a peaceful and prosperous future.
That’s simply not going to happen ever. All this has already done is create a new generation of the next incarnation of Hamas and after another couple of months of this shit, it’ll be much worse next time round.
Along_the_Wire totally agree, some people seem to think Hamas is just a group of people that if you kill they are gone forever, rather than it being a movement that will just attract new members.
Have people forgotten about Al Qaeda and the US attempt at trying to eliminate that.
There’s not been much about ISIS lately, but thanks to Israel their recruiting should be pretty easy now too.
This is pretty funny.
And this is pretty cool if it’s not photoshopped.
Homegrove This is pretty funny.
Why?
Because the person making the post doesn’t realise that Gothenburg is in Sweden, and not Germany? And that Christer Mattsson is Swedish, and not German?
Because do you not even realise that Gothenburg is in Sweden, and not Germany? And you didn’t realise that Christer Mattsson is Swedish, not German?
Lol indeed! Ignoramus.
RichM some people seem to think Hamas is just a group of people that if you kill they are gone forever, rather than it being a movement that will just attract new members
My understanding is that Hamas are terrorists who control and enslave the otherwise peaceful and essentially harmless Palestinian woman and children. Scroll up a bit and read how “Gaza is not Hamas” and how the Palestinians only vote for Hamas under duress.
I guess it’s one of those where you can just change it to suit what is most convenient at any given moment.
perhaps not eliminated in the strict sense, but certainly disrupted to the point of near-irreverence.
perhaps not eliminated in the strict sense, but certainly disrupted to the point of near-irreverence.
Post 2001, Al Qaeda gradually decentralised forming groups (AQAP, AQIM, AQIS etc) in key regions and had further setbacks after Ayman al Zawahiri was taken out last year. They remain but their profile has changed and will be seeking opportunities to regroup.
Similarly, ISIS were largely defeated by around 2007 (following “the surge”) and retreated to the desert but re-emerged in 2011 with the Syrian conflict. After their clobbering in 2018, they reverted back to being an insurgency similar to the AQI days, but their “motto” is “Endure and Remain”, so no doubt they will be looking for the right time to make a comeback.
Right, well that’s me on the watchlist now.
zackster Yay freedom!
So is it a big deal that Palestinian citizens are apparently kept within the borders of their territory or not? You’re contradicting yourself here.
Also, if you think that they have a good way of life then how about you try and move there? I’m sure they’d welcome an American Jew with open arms - they’d probably throw a rooftop party for you.
hugopal Hugo, bubbale, be a mench and listen to me… for the 50th time, it is NOT Palestinians keeping Palestinians in place! Israel is the one posting snipers and robot machine gun towers outside of the chainlink fences or along the decrepit roads that lead to the multitude of checkpoints that require vias that take years to come and are ofter denied or only granted for sexual favors. It is not Palestinians controlling a poisonous water supplying electricity for 8 hours a day. I suggest you watch Abby Martin’s Gaza Fight’s For Freedom to actually see what life was actually like in Gaza before the mass genocide began. The entire thing is now free on YouTube.
