Election 2024: The Fate of Democracy

zackster

I won’t be able to see him in graduation cap… or pink polo, or shudder shades, or little back pack

zackster

Old-Dutch

zackster

The absolute fucking state of this, lol

Old-Dutch

https://news.sky.com/story/person-sets-themselves-on-fire-in-protest-area-outside-trump-trial-reports-13118749

One mistimed Trump and the whole place could have blown

zackster

Old-Dutch

zackster Don’t worry, I survived

Thank goodness. At first I was afraid, I was petrified

zackster

Old-Dutch yeah all good. Still kinda hot but it’s going away. Think I can go home today.

zackster

Yikes!

zackster

Old-Dutch Uncle Bosie!

Old-Dutch

I’m so hungry I could eat an Uncle Bosie

zackster

It is so insane that the Dems are going to once again run the one person whole is uniquely positioned to lose to Trump. If they ran Chillary this go round she’d win handily. Instead we have a senile liar who has become the face of a genocide.

alistair

zackster How does Hilary beat Trump? Lost in 2016 and has been out of the public eye since

zackster

alistair several reasons why I think she’d win.

Joe is the lest popular president in the past 40 years.
There is a reasonable contingent of people who voted for Don as a laugh in 2016. I think those people would come out for Hill-Dawg now.
She would be SO much better on abortion messaging, which is the only thing the Dems have right now.
Even though she would be just as bad on Palestine as Joe is she would have the ability to run with the message of being removed from it.

bosstrabs

Why don’t the Democraps just get some new politicians like other parties do?

zackster

bosstrabs They used to be really good at this. The people themselves were dog shit, of course, but at least they gave their base the illusion of progress. Everything changed after the Obungler won. His burring the hatchet with the Clintons certainly contributed to the stagnation. The real set back was when he convinced everyone, except Liz Warren, to drop out and back Joe so that they could once again prevent Bernie from becoming the nominee.

Old-Dutch

I’d wager he’s still running the show now - Biden certainly isn’t

zackster

Old-Dutch its certainly possible. I personally don’t think he is the puppet master that some others do. I genuinely think he just wants to operate in the world he’s built for himself, ie do a shitty podcast with Bruce Springsteen and host parties for Beyonce. The careerists that were birthed off of his terms are the ones that I blame for the desire to maintain the statusquo, but ultimately it doesn’t matter. The Democrats have a fundamental problem. They do not want to give their base the things they want most. It would go against their own interests to fight for healthcare, Wall Street reform, and endless war funding. It’s why I believe they are happy to lose elections, or at the very least lose control of one lever of government. It’s easier for them to fundraise when they can say oooh I’d absolutely give you healthcare, but we just don’t have the power to do so right now. Obama doing nothing, out side of passing a Republican healthcare reform bill, with his super majority was a real wakeup call for my generation and the Dems have still yet to deal with it in a meaningful way.

303abuser

zackster Obama doing nothing, out side of passing a Republican healthcare reform bill, with his super majority

He ran on hope and change, was given the power, and did absolutely nothing with it. That was the moment for me that cemented how futile it is to expect anyone in politics to do better. The revolution won’t be televised because it isn’t going to happen until people are actually starving.

Old-Dutch

This is going to be a wild election. It’s genuinely farcical to have Trump and Biden as the choices for the electorate. What a time to be alive.

The wheels are coming off in general - which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. People are starting to realise the shit show they have on offer and how whatever happens they are being fucked over to pay for it all.

Can’t say things are any better in the UK to be honest.

Viva la revolution.

But Trump is nailed on, lol.

Intrigued to see what impact RFK.has on the election.

zackster

I am still not so sure. The state level Repubs are doing all sorts of shit with their new found abilities to restrict access to abortion which is causing nightmares for Trump on the national level. Arizona is a state he needs and they just passed some stupid legislation that he was begging them not to. However, he isn’t cooked either. No one gives a shit about his court cases, Israel is a millstone around Joe’s neck, and voter turnout will probably be at a historic low.

Old-Dutch

zackster No one gives a shit about his court cases,

I think they actually do but not in the way they were hoping they would. The cases are clearly happening at a time to maximise the imapct on Trump’s ability to run a campaign for the election. They had years to bring and hold these cases, it’s no coincidence it’s all being done now and people aren’t stupid enough to fall for it. It’s all backfiring massively.

When this is supposed to be news you know how badly you’re fucked as a nation :

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