Starmer (UK is Jaded thread)

Amps

Mad_Cyril Agreed. But to the original point, it was just an out and out lie as far as I know.

Mad_Cyril Be better to heavily subsidise and really accelerate these kind of things I would have thought?

Yeah, government should be giving them away.

Amps

VR46 Imo small engine petrol cars should of been the push in 00s, way more efficient and better for environment than hybrids or EV when you consider the lithium and energy it takes to build one.

Nearly every decent piece of research and argument says otherwise.

VR46

Amps You serious, compared to a 1.2 Litre Honda jazz putting out 110 co2 when a prius puts out 100 and the battery is passed all round the globe for components and the extra wiring involved along with the Lithium for it to do 5mpg more than a Jazz lol.

In 00s vvti was introduced along with egr, direct injection and better cataylic converters, those little engines are so efficient and reliable.

We are 60% renewable in the UK on a good day so 60% of a EV requires fussell fuels generally across a annual year. The EV thing is the biggest scam ever bigger than the Diesel scam. It’s even more dumb in the US when under Dems or Republican there hasn’t really been a move on solar or wind power.

Amps

Homegrove We have cheap energy yet are ahead of any other country when it comes to clean energy.

Same as the HS2 stuff, we’re a lazy pushover of a nation, happy to watch our middle classes get rich from our indifference.

Amps

VR46 I’m not doing the research for you. Go and have a read, from more than one source, or more than a right wing source. Maybe give Hugo a buzz.

VR46

Amps not right wing, common sense if there’s one thing I no about it’s automotive. You can fact check me about co2 emissions on hybrids vs modern petrol cars under 1.3L.

They show the daily renewable output after Channel 5 news every evening.

Hursty

Mad_Cyril also the fact that the quote is based mainly on the EPC, which isn’t great for accurate costings. I was chatting with an Octopus rep last week and said I’m keen but due my cert being old the quote won’t change from £7k + grant.

We’ve had the whole house renovated in 2020, rewire, replumb the lot so most of the infra can be reused. If the quote was £2kish + grant I’d get it done

Along_the_Wire

VR46 you say you aren’t right wing, but you swallow up a load of their shit ie Trump and other right wing tropes

VR46

Along_the_Wire I’m right of centre libertarian. You will get plenty on the left who think EV’s are actually worse for environment and they will also see holes in net zero. Aren’t they out protesting about the new runway as we speak, many will see labour as far to centrist. I did warn people they where just a watered down torie party long ago.

Smallman1

LT42 Just DRILL & FRACK, lads. That will solve the energy crisis. Why didn’t someone think of this before? It will be like the 1970s again but fuck it. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.

I concur.

Smallman1

VR46 Like today is much better than the 70s,

Did they have Peak Time POWER Prog in the 70s?

I rest my case.

alistair

Smallman1 They did have peak time power rock and disco

Smallman1

Did Larry Levan ever drop Puhin Too hard?

Sactly.

LT42

In a few years, once they’ve made virtual reality really good and accessible to all, I’m going to don the goggles, do a huge line of bugle, then waltz into Studio 54 for a Sasha & Digweed Northern Exposure gig. I’ve told the wife already, as she was slamming the door of the bedroom.

Smallman1

I’m going to go to Space Ibiza and listed to Disc One.

VR46

https://news.sky.com/story/great-british-energy-to-team-up-with-crown-estate-to-develop-new-offshore-wind-farms-13184324

Some will see up to 11% rise in their energy bills from April, he be lucky to get pensioners to vote for him next time around.

“Labour suggested in its manifesto that the party’s net zero energy plans would bring down household bills by £300 per year - a figure Sir Keir said he stood by.”

Rachel reeves also has a proposal to cut isa allowance from 20k to 4k. Tories in disguise.

xs2man

VR46 That ISA cut would be disastrous. The UK public already doesn’t have enough education about saving for their futures, so to restrict like this will be massive. At least money in the ISA has already been taxed. It will be shifted to pensions now where it sin’t taxed until it’s released from that wrapper and often a much smaller rate.

Along_the_Wire

xs2man It just won’t affect that many people - if a average household income is £35k, saving £4k a year is a lot of money to a lot of people.

Hursty

It’s for cash ISAs only right?

RichM

Hursty I believe so, and to encourage people to invest in stocks and shares rather than hoarding investments in cash.

Millsy

What’s the point of a cash ISA anyway?

alistair

Millsy It’s a no risk, tax efficient way of saving money. What’s the point of Rachel Reeves?

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