The General Covid19 Thread

Old-Dutch

Hence the delay in approving other vaccines whilst they pinned their hopes on the Sanofi vaccine

Old-Dutch

Not sure what you mean? The contract was placed 3 months before the EU. Is it an unreasonable position considering the Govt. helped fund the operation?

I’m fairly sure similar clauses would have been built into the Sanofi contract.

Along_the_Wire

Old-Dutch I mean the tables were completely turned, we’d be kicking off like fuck and make absolute buffoons out of ourselves.

Old-Dutch

Along_the_Wire

Lol, undoubtedly

LT42

Old-Dutch A major company promising one thing and then deciding “sorry we can’t help you” when it comes to delivery is a very dodgy circumstance. Especially when it comes to the importance of the product. Like most things nowadays what we hear and read is only the tip of the iceberg. Having worked in sales for years, issues like this don’t occur unless the company involved have fucked up royally.

Old-Dutch

LT42

Promising or “best endeavours” as per the wording in the contract?

No one is disputing something has majorly fucked up with the production - it obviously has.

Whilst everyone focuses on this war with AstraZeneca, their eyes are not on the real issue, which was the EU strategy and putting money and funding for Sanofi before lives

Mad_Cyril

LT42
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough.

I’m not talking about the % of vaccines to be delivered against ‘promised’ / allegedly contracted.

Im referring to your insinuations about an AZ / Tory conspiracy, >50% of your post, based on claims you can’t verify.

None of us has the FACTS, so I’m not interested in arguing.

I just think it’s embarrassing arguing out in the open about a commercial agreement, behaviour that’s standard in public sector in both the UK and Europe.

It’s even more embarrassing that the rich countries are squabbling whilst nobody seems to be thinking about the poorer ones.

LT42

Mad_Cyril What conspiracy, MC? All I said was who knows what was cut behind closed doors. Hardly tin foil hat stuff. It’ll be used as PR in the coming months by the Tories to show Britain is better off without the EU. You can quote me on that.

vinnyt77

Mad_Cyril Reading these vaccine shenanigans not make anyone think about the poorer countries / people?

There’s the COVAX process, designed to ensure at least a minimum level of vaccination (20 or 25% of the population from memory) in developing countries. Part funded by global Government contributions (of which the UK has contributed c. 30% thus far), part funded by the WHO, and part funded by philanthropy. Bill Gates unsurprisingly is the single biggest personal donor thus far, cos you know - control via vaccines innit?

LT42 Surely the finger pointing should be at Astra Zeneca who’ve lined their pockets from 2 seperate deals

Astra Zeneca’s vaccine is priced at c. $4 per jab. As Grant says above, they’ve said they will not make a profit from the vaccine whilst we remain under pandemic conditions. Contrast that with the Pfizer vaccine ($20 per hit) and Moderna Vaccine ($33 per hit). Even the Russian space vaccine is c. 2-3x the price of Astra Zeneca’s. How, exactly, that equates to their having ‘lined their pockets’ I’m not sure…

LT42

vinnyt77 I hold my hand up as it looks like I meant they’ll make record profits, it’s not how I meant it. Point being they’re not doing it out of the goodness of their heart, there is money involved at the end of the day and they’ll make money from the deals regardless of how cheap it is.

vinnyt77

Old-Dutch Last I saw, weren’t Sanofi now on the hook to manufacture (inside the EU) the vaccine developed by Pfizer/Moderna, essentially at cost?

My sister worked for Sanofi for 7-8 years from around 1999. Shit show then, shit show now.

vinnyt77

LT42 Fair enough.

And from my dealings with pharma companies over the years, their doing something and not making a profit is just about as close to doing something out of the goodness of their hearts that they can get. I have an agreement with my CEO that I don’t have to do any work with pharma companies or big tobacco. Or Huawei. All cunts.

Old-Dutch

Yes Sanofi are now using their factory to supply the Pfizer vaccine.

What’s interesting is that Moderna have also cut their deliveries to the EU by 20% over the last few days. Will the EU response be the same?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/bb514eed-3be8-411a-b1c4-255dc569bae5

Amps

alistair

Amps It’s not that simple though is it. Our population is exceptionally unhealthy when compared to the Japanese. Japans obesity levels are among the lowest in the world (3.2%) whereas 62% of UK adults are obese. Combine that with a society that is far more compliant, more deferential to authority, wears masks on public transport when they have colds and you’ve got four major differentials right there. And yes, I do know the Japanese better than most Brits, having visited the beautiful country four times in the past six years

Hursty

So by country geographical size and population you can gauge covid deaths?

That proves absolutely nothing.

Old-Dutch

The death toll in the UK is a fucking disgrace whatever way you want to look at it. The main reason the Government have got their shit together on the vaccine front is because it’s a last roll of the dice to get something right

bosstrabs

alistair Our population is exceptionally unhealthy when compared to the Japanese. Japans obesity levels are among the lowest in the world (3.2%) whereas 62% of UK adults are obese. Combine that with a society that is far more compliant, more deferential to authority, wears masks on public transport when they have colds and you’ve got four major differentials right there. And yes, I do know the Japanese better than most Brits, having visited the beautiful country four times in the past six years

Is right. We’ve also got tons of bellends saying it’s all a hoax, who won’t mask up, or at least keep physical distance in shops too. As stated before, I go to the shops twice a week (a proper supermarket shop, and an interim trip to the bakery for a restock of fresh bread), and still I see it everywhere. Asda is my closest supermarket but I won’t go in there because most of the customers are scumbags and the staff don’t give a fuck (and who could blame them when they’ve probably been threatened several times by dickhead customers?) so I travel a little further to Tesco or Morrison’s, where the staff at least try to remind people to keep some distance.

People like that (especially fit and healthy dickheads like Laurence Fox, 40 year old males and so on) would be seriously shunned in a society like Japan’s, and in China where people are less polite, they would soon have a gang around them ready to beat the shit out of them for not complying. There’s a lot wrong with those societies, but at least people seem to be saying “get through this and then we’ll talk about whether masks and distancing make any difference later”.

Henry

alistair

Four times in six years. Crikey, nearly more than me. Are you working out there?

Hursty

The UK death toll is in line with many other western countries of similar ilk so to blame the incumbent political party completely is harsh.

They could have done better and so could
many other governments, that much is true.

Im surprised it isn’t worse given the shit state of people health in this country!

Along_the_Wire

Hursty should’ve locked down earlier, should enforce rules, shouldn’t have allowed households to mix at Christmas. Just three things that would’ve saved tens of thousands of lives, Hursty.

LT42

Hursty The UK death toll is in line with many other western countries of similar ilk so to blame the incumbent political party completely is harsh.

I’m sure you mean well, H, but that paragraph makes no sense. There aren’t many Govts in the world who can say they’ve handled this the correct way, those that haven’t handled it well deserve all the blame they get, particularly those in Western Europe.

Amps

Lads, lads, lads, chillax! It’s a cheap shot at the Tories, who love to use such figures in their Covid defence, take it for what it is and enjoy! 😆

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