The General Covid19 Thread

zackster

jonattonyeah Your ongoing CIA deployment has been invaluable to us here in the JC community. I am sorry Tony didn’t give you the McAffee detail, as I am sure that was a thrill.

Mad_Cyril

bosstrabs I’m looking with the eye of an Economics graduate

Christ Dave, I’d have been more generous with my LOLs if I’d have known!

-si-

bosstrabs I am, however, concerned about the efficacy and side effects of the vaccines from what I see in the data. Although I’m looking with the eye of an Economics graduate, not a medical professional.

Davy, via the medium of your magnificent mangina and your economics degree, how are the efficacy and side effects of the vaccine looking?

jonattonyeah

bosstrabs

Yeah, there’s just so many variables. It’s hard to make any reasonable comparisons. San Francisco is population-dense by US standards and has a very large homeless population (encampment outbreaks have been a recent issue). We’re also heavy Pfizer/Moderna. No AV. I don’t know what that means. I get some info from the research side of things, but only what’s shared on our calls. I’m frankly uninformed about a lot of it despite working on our local COVID issues for 15-whatever months. I share what’s shared with me.

Vaccines seem to be working here. I can say that.

Homegrove

jonattonyeah the UK folks are having trouble admitting that Pfizer > Az.

Old-Dutch

So you’re saying that you will be Delta Heavy soon?

Along_the_Wire

Homegrove there’s not much in the efficacy after your second dose and they both give you milder symptoms if you’re unlucky enough to get it.

AZ get a pass for not profiteering out of a global pandemic.

Old-Dutch

Whoosh Hannu. I thought you would have got that one FFS

Along_the_Wire

bosstrabs This is the third time this has been covered in this thread - I can’t remember who did an excellent response to it, but basically there are two points. First one is that the number of reported deaths related to Delta aren’t statistically significant enough to make assumptions and the second one is that 94% of the over 50s and at risk groups have been jabbed, almost everyone, so most people who catch covid are likely to be from that group.

Old-Dutch

You can also look at the ease of distribution and storage i.e. temperatures that the vaccines need to be stored at, which in a global pandemic really makes the AZ vaccine far more accessible than Pfizer - considering this is affecting the world you have to ask overall which of the vaccines will have the bigger impact.

It’s great there are different vaccines out there but would be interested in Hannu’s case for why Pfizer is better.

Along_the_Wire

The US and EU pandering to Big Pharma is also pretty sickening - in a lobbying and PR race, who do you think is winning? Too much self interest for my liking.

Old-Dutch

Along_the_Wire

Pfizer well and truly played the EU. Ursula makes a big statement about them only renewing contracts with reliable suppliers like Pfizer (a month or so after Pfizer told them they were going to be down on delivering them 10m vaccines) ergo they are done with AZ and when it comes to renewing the order with Pfizer, Pfizer hike the vaccine price to them by 60%.

Masterclass.

Old-Dutch

100%. An embarrassing shit-show

-si-

The second jab was a lot easier than the first, thankfully.

Shirley AZ isn’t being labelled a waste of time against the INDIAN variant of the CHINA virus, spead by cunts in UK?

Hursty

-si- It’s BoJo’s fault for not closing the border to India, the absolute cretin

Smallman1

zackster Ed is from Kent?

Oi oi!

Smallman1

Hannu’s only had one jab.

And he lives in Finland.

Have to feel for the lad.

Wasily

bosstrabs The majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated.

I think that’s more to do with the high rate of vaccination as opposed to it’s inefficacy…

https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

Mad_Cyril

Old-Dutch
No flies on the EU bigwigs.

Slick

Jules72

Hursty if you take a look at which countries are not on the red list right now, you can see another fck up brewing… why on earth isn’t Russia red with its grim situation there?!!

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