the production thread

303abuser

Henry Also got an early bird invite for the upgrade with 20% which is a no brainer.

is that 20% off upgrading 9 to 10, with a free upgrade to 11 OR 20% off upgrading 10 to 11?

Henry

303abuser I’m going from 10 so not sure version 9 owners. The email link just took me to my account so presumably Ableton are targeting 10 users?

303abuser

picked this up yesterday. if you need another delay/echo, check it out, i absolutely love the sound that comes out of it.

https://www.audiothing.net/effects/wires/

303abuser

Henry ah i see, i logged in and it shows the discount there. i was under the impression the discount was for people upgrading from 9.

Unbroken1 in CAD, my upgrade is $290, $230 after the discount.

Unbroken1

…how much from 10 > 11 H?

loopdokter

303abuser in CAD, my upgrade is $290, $230 after the discount.

Ableton continue to take the piss with their pricing. I understand that Live is basically their only product, but they’re not exactly hurting for usership. That’s basically saying ‘fuck you’ to people who have already paid for the program.

I appreciate that they’re one of the few that do CAD and don’t revert to USD, but still… To compare, Cubase 10.5 Pro to 11 Pro is $150 CAD. Logic outright is $250 if I’m not mistaken? Cubase Pro is $350 CAD.

So yeah, Ableton’s pricing is way out of whack. 🙁 To be honest I’m not that fussed about some of the stuff in the latest version. There’s nothing that made me go ‘phwoar’ and then they continue to charge full on DAW purchase pricing for upgrading… Not cool.

Unbroken1

…fuck, that’s quite a lot, only upgraded to 10 last December 🙁

Henry

The update from 9 to 10 took years so agreed this is a bit of a pisser having this come so soon.
Bit disappointed about not getting a new synth too. The Poli synth has been around for ages and looks a bit shit. I do wonder whether this will be a regular thing now with more regular releases.

Having said all that the updates I mentioned earlier plus the additional packs that will surely follow will make it worth it.

303abuser

it’s definitely early and i appreciate that they dropped the upgrade price, but this seems like a 10.5 version rather than 11.0.

apyssjw

Comping and scales overlay on the piano roll I’d definitely use - which are time savers more than anything. I already have beatseaker so it’s a bit annoying that it’s going to be an integrated feature. I’m not sure how linked editing would be helpful. Extra macro’s is fine. Easy on additional packs / effects etc. Biggest issue for me though is that my music computer runs Windows 7 and this will be Windows 10 only. I don’t really want to reconstitute it again, having survived the harddrive crash from last year.

Amps

Amps Again, another synth line today that isn’t complete dog shit. Result.

Amps

Anyone got any tutorials or info on making giant fuck off laser noises? Preferably in Ableton or using a nice free VST. I can’t see much, so my assumption is that ‘laser noises’ are called something else in the world of proper production. Think Chemical Bros etc.

apyssjw

Amps I’m with you. Laser noises are both awesome and essential. Experiment with pitch envelopes, as a large element of the sound can be fast pitch dropping or rising. Same with filter sweeps. Or get sampling them from where ever and do the same thing. In short experiment.

loopdokter

Amps Anyone got any tutorials or info on making giant fuck off laser noises? Preferably in Ableton or using a nice free VST. I can’t see much, so my assumption is that ‘laser noises’ are called something else in the world of proper production. Think Chemical Bros etc.

You just need something with snappy and fast envelopes and modulate the pitch (which can be done with LFO). This is all easily done in the stock synths Ableton has like Analog. I’d start there. Google ‘how to make risers in Ableton’ or something similar.

I’d show you myself but that will get you there quicker. Unless of course you’d truly like me to teach you how to produce… Hehe.

Mad_Cyril

Have you tried googling ‘pew, pew, pewwwww’?

Works in Lego Batman

Amps

apyssjw Yeah, I need the fisher price my first laser noise tutorial.

Unbroken1

…ancient version of Live, but principles are the same:

Amps

Unbroken1 Amazing work chief, much appreciated!

303abuser

i need to stop looking at black friday sales. does anyone have experience with arturia’s pigments software? looks really interesting, especially with the modulation options, and it’s on sale for $90 CAD.

Henry

303abuser Aye! Bought it when it was half price earlier this year. It’s a beast in terms of options to modulate. And very simple to do so too: lots of graphics (colours) to show you which you are modulating so you don’t lose track on what is going where.
One of the really cool features it has is the function option (3 of these) which you can basically draw in your modulating pattern and then assign something to that.

The thing that swung it for me was the sound engine. Really really clear and so much fuller than something like Serum or bundled Ableton synths. Add to that the really cool grantulator mode and for the price they are offering, it’s a no brainer really.

loopdokter

303abuser i need to stop looking at black friday sales. does anyone have experience with arturia’s pigments software? looks really interesting, especially with the modulation options, and it’s on sale for $90 CAD.

Meh. I don’t think it’s any better or worse than the Wavetable synth in Ableton. Mind you, I don’t have much love for wavetable synthesis.

JonQPublik

@303abuser I have not forgotten about your feedback. It’s all valid. I haven’t had use of my mousing hand lately… I got one of those old fucker diseases that’s ruined using a desktop the past few weeks. Shingles. Fucking shingles! Almost healed, but the random weird pain is obnoxious. Do not recommend.

303abuser

JonQPublik that sucks, hope you get rid of it sooner vs later. i feel like i’m falling apart this week too, so i can sympathize a little.

303abuser

Henry i was hoping you were going to say it’s shit and to stay far away. 🤣

you basically confirmed what i saw in a couple of videos. it really does look good at that price, not that i need it, but who buys things they need? what’s it like for cpu usage? i know with diva, i can run a few instances, but if i have the quality set to ‘divine’ with tons of modulation, i have to bounce to audio to keep things moving.

Henry

303abuser CPU doesn’t get hammered too much. I’m on an iMac 2015 with just an i5 chip and it never gets above 30% with a few synths pumping away. As usual, as you increase the voices it tends to go up a bit.

If you are looking for something that is easy to modulate, then this is what you want. Why not just get the demo first and take the plunge if you like it?

The other Arturia synths look really good too. They’re trying to tempt me with offers for the Collection 7. I really like what they do emulating classic sounds. But not sure I need another massive list of synths to start learning. Still trying to learn Pigments!

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