Joe Biden (The General USA BLOWS Thread)

jonattonyeah

I mean, if you want to get mad at the fire department for showing up late, okay. I personally still put more blame on the arsonist for starting the fire.

zackster

My issue with blaming Trump is this: it gets the Dems completely off the hook and meets the desires of their current base, which is generally speaking a group of pathetic worms. As long as they have a scape goat they can get out of having to totally reform and start over. If the Dems were serious, they would completely support healthcare reform/M4A as a party wide issue. It already polls well, and could go off the charts if they actually started messaging behind it. Now is the perfect time to start as M4A guarantees access to abortion services. But they won’t because they are corrupt pieces of shit and more than ½ the party bathes in health insurance pac funding.

jonattonyeah

zackster

Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I don’t hear anyone giving the Dems a pass. People are angry at their inaction and rightfully so. But let’s not confuse the issue here - a lunatic, regressive Republican Party want to turn this country back to the 1950’s. THAT is the real issue here. Should the Dems have more of a spine? Sure. But, again, I save my anger for the arsonist rather than the fire department.

zackster

This dude is going out with a bang

LT42

It’s still possible to blame Dems for perceived weaknesses and also blame Trump for flying the plane into the mountain. There’s just no way that guy should be getting a pass for his sham presidency, rampant corruption and for steering the US into the most depressing social upheaval in living memory, most of which will take many more decades to reset.

zackster

If you let Don’s behavior drive you that crazy then that is a you problem. The bottomline is he governed exactly the same way any other Republican would have. In fact, his cowardice actually scored him a big win in that he didn’t pursue conflict with Iran. The joint chiefs put it on a fucking platter for him, but he balked because he is a gigantic pussy.

LT42

zackster The bottomline is he governed exactly the same way any other Republican would have.

Yeah, his double impeachment doesn’t make him stand out from the crowd at all.
I’m sensing a type of amnesia, the type that could encourage a fraudster to build another campaign on. The type most politicians count on.

rhouses

Like I said, obama was soft, and trump swooped in to make sure the right wing had full control of the Supreme Court.

I generally don’t bash trump though. As a foreigner, it’s hard to not respect the fact trump has the least foreign blood on his hands, compared to any modern US president. Besides his views on climate change, I don’t really see him affect my life in anyway, good for some laughs for the batshit crazy things he’s does and says.

zackster

jonattonyeah I am seeing way more hate for the Dems than I had expected, tbf. Gives me the smallest sliver of hope.

As far as your fire analogy goes, I’ll agree the Repubs started it. However, the Dems are not the fire department. They are more like the shithead slum lords who happily let it burn, expecting an insurance check in return.

303abuser

zackster I don’t see how you can blame anyone other then the Democratic party as a whole, because they knew exactly what the opposition was going to do yet they did absolutely NOTHING to stop it.

After all of this, are you still under the impression that the republicans and democrats are separate entities representing different platforms? Seems to be they’re both just vessels of (sometimes aligned, sometimes not) corporate interests. I think that applies to most nations, but it’s amplified in the states because of their global position and that they only have two parties to choose from.

zackster

303abuser After all of this, are you still under the impression that the republicans and democrats are separate entities representing different platforms?

I haven’t been under that impression since high school.

jonattonyeah

zackster

Where’s Frank Thomas in all this?

Asking the real questions.

303abuser

zackster Then why question or worry about what either party is doing in relation to each other? They’re serving corporate and self-interests, nothing more, nothing less. They’re both shit and pretending that voting in one over the other has some material impact is kind of pointless. Maybe that’s better than being apathetic, but I don’t honestly see how it makes any real difference.

zackster

jonattonyeah I have a terrible feeling Frank is a bit of a Repub.

zackster

LT42 The double impeachment means nothing to me. George W. Bush was an infinitely worst POTUS. Unlike Trump he actually stole an election, got us into the Iraq War, and passed the Patriot Act. This idea that Trump was some unholy evil the likes of which we never saw before is just stuff brain-damaged Dems tell themselves.

LT42

zackster The double impeachment means nothing to me.

Weird, I saw the complete breakdown of justice which ultimately led to an insurrection at the Capitol, where people died. Nothing to write home about though.

jonattonyeah

zackster

The problem with Trump for me was just the chaos of it all. It was exhausting. And he’s also just such an objectively repulsive individual. Bush II was worse from a policy standpoint but I could at least SOMEWHAT see the appeal of him to conservatives - legacy pick, Warhawk, religious in theory. With Trump it was the realization that, oh, conservatives will literally vote for anyone who pisses off the left - they have no principals or ideas beyond that. It’s not the means to an end, it’s the entire point. And he was even worse than even my basement expectations were. I mean, he was SO bad he actually made Bush II seem kinda reasonable which is just unreal for anyone who paid attention in the 2000-10 decade.

Likely right about Frank.

zackster

LT42 A bunch of jug hooters were allowed to storm the Capitol by racist cops. One woman was shot, and the rest died from heart attaches or unrelated causes days later. A question for you, what was a more deadly event? The Iraq War or Jan 6th?

LT42

zackster A question for you, what was a more deadly event? The Iraq War or Jan 6th?

I’ve kept it about the damage caused domestically as foreign policy is an entirely different matter. Had a US president ever been an asset for foreign intelligence before 2016? The impact of the Iraq War doesn’t need to be discussed, we’re all adults here, but which one of these scenarios has been more damaging to America long term? Writing off Jan 6th like it was just a normal afternoon at the office is pretty shocking considering the motives and circumstances around it. Maybe you’re just numb, its understandable.

zackster

jonattonyeah he actually made Bush II seem kinda reasonable

Correct. Seem is the operative word here. Over 1,000,000 people died in the Iraq war. Dems hated Trump because of how he made them feel. Today it is all about perceived reality.

jonattonyeah

Hate to be nihilistic, but let’s be honest here….how many of those 1,000,000 would’ve died anyway under Saddam. I don’t believe the US should be running around picking fights all the time, but I’m also not so dense as to believe these places aren’t deeply fucked up with despotic dickheads doing despotic dickhead things to a helpless populace.

rhouses

jonattonyeah That’s absolute garbage JP. It’s a well known fact that ousting Gaddafi and Saddam have been catastrophic failures for those regions. Obama got Libya wrong, and Hilary Clinton paid for it. While Dubya had serious Daddy issues in regards to Iraq, and was played the fool by Cheney.

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