NHS pay rises
Tax tech companies properly. They claim
to be a force for good, but theyâre thieving fucking cunts.
Iâm an advocate for high taxation as long as itâs being spent well - The NHS and heroin addicts fall into this category.
If businesses were being taxed properly and everyone paid their fair share of taxes thereâs no way weâd need to have the higher tax bracket set as low as it is.
Those on PAYE basically get hammered
Agree with Grant.
The UK is upping is corporate tax in a few years and itâll still be one of the most competitive in the G20. What the fuck have we been doing?!
Tax tech companies properly. What an ill-thought out, ignorant response. Do you not think if it was as simple as that theyâd have done it?
They can shift their operations to wherever they want. Which is why a lot of them have operations in Dublin, paying the bloody mortgages and public services of Irish citizens!!
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C_J Tax tech companies properly. What an ill-thought out, ignorant response. Do you not think if it was as simple as that theyâd have done it?
They can shift their operations to wherever they want. Which is why a lot of them have operations in Dublin, paying the bloody mortgages and public services of Irish citizens!!
Hence there need to be stronger accords between governments on taxing them.
The problem is, as soon as it looked like it may happen with us being part of the EUâs Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive, the press barons threw a spaz and convinced all the thick cunts* to vote Brexit.
*i.e. the working class in the UK and the US who can somehow always be persuaded to vote against (and joyfully embrace voting against) their own interests.
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Tax wealth (assets) not income, and yes, there needs to be a global agreement on the tech giants pronto. They have raped the high street and the jobs of young people.
C_J Donât patronise me, CJ. I donât have the answer, but the government and the IR should hold them to account - itâs not for me to navigate the intricacies of it all - whatâs happening is not fair and needs to be changed - why should the general tax-paying public prop up this shortfall? It should as least be one advantage of fucking Brexit.
The answer is of course to sell off and privatise the NHS.
Buzz Sundar Pichai and tell him you want ten years of back taxes from Google by the end of the month or we will just turn them off at the plug. I reckon youâd have the money within 48 hours, unfortunately though, you may also have a CIA funded coup on your doorstep by June.
Apologies Wasily. I agree there isnât scope to increase it by more out of general taxation but if we can raise ÂŁ38m for the late Captain Sir Thomas Moore doing 100 laps of his garden I think we can do something for the cunts doing a hundred hours a week on the Covid wards for the last twelve months and counting. Iâd chuck in fifty quid, get another couple of million to do the same and youâve got a hundred milly. If we could get Tesco etc to top that up to ÂŁ300m thatâs about a grand per nurse after my 1% fee.
bosstrabs Dave. With respect, the EUâs anti-tax avoidance directive is a joke. A complete sham. Look at Dublin, Luxembourg, Switzerland. They are tax havens and thatâs why they have the highest GDP per head in the Eurozone. The EU is corrupt and thatâs why we left. Youâre a somewhat educated person and yet you are wilfully ignorant of these facts.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/time-real-reform-stop-tax-havens-escaping-eu-blacklist
Itâs basically too late to worry about any of this now. Our souls were sold decades ago and it ainât ever changing
3.5% pay cut for us coming July 1 (our fiscal year). City/County charter requires a balanced budget and we canât be in the red. Is what it is. Hopefully theyâll give us âfloating holidaysâ in rue of the salary loss. But who knows.
For those of us COVID activated, we get 8 extra hours of time away for every 80 hours (two weeks) worked - a way of compensating given they cannot give hazard pay. Iâm currently at 1,030 - basically 6 months off. If I ever get the chance, my top might never come back on.
CJâs clearly spoiling for a âswedgeâ on this one, the Ayn Rand âwide cuntâ of the JC messageboard.
Ayn Rand claimed social security in her later years, the hypocritical old boot.
Whoâs Ayn Rand?
C_J Sure, but offering some of these companies tax breaks, when they have paid so little for so long, is a bit like asking your rapist for a reach around. I think you need the leverage / threat in there in some way. It makes little odds, Boris and chums are more interested in being liked by the rest of the psychopaths than helping the country.
CJ can froth at the mouth and call people on here âignorantâ all he likes.
What I think he doesnât quite understand is that when many people are seeing wage stagnation and the cost of living increase year-on-year in real terms, and are also getting pissed off by only having precarious employment with the likes of Uber, Deliveroo, Amazon et al available to them, and THEN see these tech companies (and others) getting away with paying fuck all, sooner or later there will be enough pissed-off people to upend the whole system (which never seems likely until it actually happens and then⌠oh shit!)
And I say this as someone who is definitely a capitalist. It has to be seen to be working for the majority of participants if a system is to sustain itself.
I agree the tech companies need to pay more tax but no-one so far has managed to figure out a way of doing it unfortunately.
C_J but no-one so far has managed to figure out a way of doing it
Itâs not a numerical or ethical question that needs to be âfigured outâ, it can be done quite easily, but no Tory has even the slightest interest in rectifying the situation. They would much rather toady up to these companies and get a nice job on the board when they retire from politics.
I think the problem is that unless you can get every single country to sign up to the same tax regime (nigh impossible), they will just transfer their operations to wherever is cheapest. This means in practice that anyone signing up is effectively just agreeing to kill off all the well-paid tech jobs in their own country, which would be madness.
Most of the world leaders are too weak and corrupt to stand up to the tech companies. A maverick strong-man like Trump might have stood a chance imo.
C_J Then, you have to ask, what is the point in democracy or self-governance anymore?
We might as well just all throw in the towel and be bonded serfs to the technocracy/tech oligarchy.
Until, perhaps, they realise that extreme supply-side economics and thoroughly gutting the middle class is short-termist as it provides less consumer demand for their products.
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C_J I think the problem is that unless you can get every single country to sign up to the same tax regime (nigh impossible), they will just transfer their operations to wherever is cheapest. This means in practice that anyone signing up is effectively just agreeing to kill off all the well-paid tech jobs in their own country, which would be madness.
I agree and disagree, it depends on how much hardship you are willing to endure for tax equality, and how much belief you put in other countries following your lead. Daveâs example of the recent Australian publication laws regards tech companies has some comparable elements. They struck out on their own, ahead of any other country, and have made it work (early days I know).
Consider how Thatcher was happy to fuck the miners, admittedly a very different industry, which in many ways is hardly comparable, but there was political will, and as such, change was foisted upon us. If there was any political will to have true tax equality they would make the changes, and it wouldnât be seen as âmadnessâ. My point is not a comparison of those industries, just that change happens when the people in power want it. We have the leverage against foreign companies, as we can refuse them our market, or in Googles case we can âturn them off at the plugâ. Something which as a now Brexiteering Britain First country we should do anyway, think how many British companies could fill that gap??? No?
Amazingly, the âmaverick like Trumpâ in this country was Jezza. He was actually up for some genuinely lefty polices, but unfortunately we all thought he looked like a creepy geography teacher, so we decided to laugh at every suggestion he made and then believed Murdochâs lies about him being anti Semitic.
Liking the cut of Ampsâ jib here.
Also, if you think that the government have allocated ÂŁ22 billion for test and trace (over ÂŁ4 billion spent so far), and spent ÂŁ5.5 billion on bullshit PPE contracts and procurement, then I donât think anyone should be putting their hand in their pocket to shore up NHS pay. The government have the money, they just donât have the will. They are actively choosing to not pay them. They see nothing but the cash value in anything.
Seeing the NHS as a charity is very slippery slope, essentially a Tories dream, if the general public came to see it as such, then privatising it would be so much easier.
The NHS is one of the few things Iâve come to see as âGreatâ about Britain, we really should collectively see the value in it, even if it is less than perfect.
As a system the NHS needs massive reform. I think things may have tightened up recently but it was an absolute free for all for so many years without correctly recharging other countries for treating their citizens.
When I was in Spain a few years ago and my son, who was a baby at the time came out in a rash all over his body and needed medical attention the first thing we were asked for was our E111 cards before they would treat him (rightly so imo)
This is how the other countries in the EU have operated for years - recharging the costs back to the home country of the citizen but we have never really implemented this properly in the UK (or at least we hadnât for a very long time). Whether this was down to incompetence/ lazyness I have no idea