The Climate Change Thread

Amps

LT42 I don’t think coverage makes the slightest bit of difference anyway.

I disagree, Extinction Rebellion have been on the TV and have been invited on to debates, they wouldn’t have done that without the protests, and as such, they are in the public consciousness.

LT42 Unfortunately these kinds of groups still haven’t found a way to protest effectively without coming off as total amateurs and time wasters.

I’m not sure there is anything else they can do, if you don’t have money or power it’s very difficult. Plus, they have history on their side, which says direct action works.

LT42

Amps Extinction Rebellion have been on the TV and have been invited on to debates

I had to google the name. Has there been any changes in legislation as a result of their protests?
People have been staging environmental protests since the 60s, yes awareness has grown and at this point the general population are more involved in areas of recycling and what the root causes are but still these groups haven’t found an effective way to force change without coming off as a nuisance which ultimately spoils the message.
I remember “Swampy” from the 90s. He was onto something.

Amps

LT42 You suggest they do nothing for fear of being a ‘nuisance’?

zackster

Calm down lads. Your great grandparents were doing colonialism in twice the heat you’re currently experiencing.

LT42

Amps no, the perception of protests from the public is that they’re a nuisance because they can’t find a way to protest effectively.

Boyan Slat and his Ocean Cleanup project have done far more for the environment than any of these protest groups have done. Effective proactive work rather than chaining yourself to your mate in the middle of a sporting event is a far better solution imo. Of course there are costs involved, maybe I’m not aware but have Extinction Rebellion rolled out any projects that tackle the problem head on?

Amps

That’s a bit apples and oranges in the comparison though. One kid with one objective, who got some backing, vs a disparate group of people from all over the globe.

Also, as we have just been saying, effectiveness is key. ER want change where it matters, at governmental level, which could truly have an impact on the environment. Individual people, regardless of their innovation and application are unlikely to make the kinds of changes needed.

Again, I wouldn’t worry too much about it, nothing will change. And their protests are hardly destroying sport at the moment, you can stay tuned in.

LT42

Amps Also, as we have just been saying, effectiveness is key. ER want change where it matters, at governmental level, which could truly have an impact on the environment. Individual people, regardless of their innovation and application are unlikely to make the kinds of changes needed.

Again, I wouldn’t worry too much about it, nothing will change. And their protests are hardly destroying sport at the moment, you can stay tuned in.

I hear ya but Slat is clearly more effective not just in raw numbers and actual progress than these groups as we both know ER are pissing into the wind by trying to change Govt policy. Last Friday his new System 002 lifted 77 tons of plastic out of one area of the Ocean. That’s real progress.
Until the large Corps decide to shift Govt policy nothing will change which is why more direct projects are far more effective at this point.
I wouldn’t say any protests are destroying sport either, they’re just ill prepared and pointless which defeats the purpose.

Amps

LT42 That’s real progress.

I think they’re both pissing in the wind. It’s only progress if less than 77 tons where dumped in the ocean the day before.

Nobody will win, nothing will change. Planet is fucked, nobody cares.

LT42

Amps I think they’re both pissing in the wind. It’s only progress if less than 77 tons where dumped in the ocean the day before.

One day’s work taken as an example is all, for a project that will continue day to day until the area is cleared before moving on to other areas. The long term strategy and investment for the project tied in with startups that will use the gathered plastic for other purposes seems a far better long term solution than going on TV and debating and ultimately doing nothing imo.

zackster

The US military is the #1 polluter on the planet. Until you deal with them, nothing matters.

Mad_Cyril

zackster
Are you saying we should take them out Zacko ✊

Smallman1

Amps is really killing my Monday vibe.

Amps

Smallman1 Why are you even in this thread? You know it’s well above your reading level.

Smallman1

Amps Why are you even in this thread?

Mainly because I like seeing your half baked opinions being torn to pieces!

Amps

LT42 going on TV and debating and ultimately doing nothing imo.

If they gain support and move the Overton window, then I’d say it has value. But in reality we’re debating something and nothing, like how many brain cells Ed actually has, nobody will ever know, nobody will ever care, nothing will change, the planet is fucked.

Amps

Smallman1 Lollers, I’ll keep using small words then!

Smallman1

To ledge the bants like me you have to have a gargantuan brain.

Tru fax!

Amps

Mad_Cyril

Ashoka seems to have a few Maris Pipers on his shoulder.

LT42

Some direct action, Amps, me ole crusty mucker

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