Ukraine war (WW3)
BlainSA Isn’t Taiwan already theirs according to them? Do they need to grab it?
Well, it’s a civil war that still isn’t actually over. The Communist Party rules the People’s Republic of China (the ‘mainland’) and lays claim to all of China (the mainland and Taiwan); The Nationalists rule the island and also lay claim to all of China - I think Nanjing (on the mainland) is still their ‘official’ capital, although in practical terms it had to become Taipei because they don’t possess the mainland.
Slightly optimistic Macron of all people may have helped the situation de-escalate.
Homegrove Size of that table! Wonder if they talked via Whatsapp? “Pass the salt!!! I Said……..”
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ScottBailey Bruce Wayne and Vicky Vale on a date
This is all just a media blown up circus tbf. Putin has no real interest in invading Ukraine, especially not with 100k troops (half of which are logistics personnel) which would not only be impossible but an embarrassing attempt. While everyone and their Auntie are sweating over an invasion, Putin will just calmly take the Donbas region, which is most likely the real motivation here.
ScottBailey reminds me of Empire Strikes back when Vader is in Cloud city.
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Don’t think it is that he has no interest in doing it. He would be equally happy (if not more so) to succeed at the negotiating table. Were Russia to invade, their military (even based on the current build up) is far superior to that of Ukraine and I don’t think there is any doubt as to the eventual victor in that scenario. The real motivation is likely to be Putin’s overarching ambition to see the restoration of the former Soviet Union as a major actor on the geopolitical map. Putin has made much of the threat, as he sees it, of Ukraine and other former Soviet countries joining NATO (ironically the actions of Russia are the very thing that will drive other countries to join NATO) but that is not the real end game, as far as I can see. Think Donbas could be taken irrespective of Ukraine as the fighting has continued much of the time.
Notwithstanding the progress of the current talks, it will be interesting to see what happens after the Beijing Olympics on 20th Feb (as he won’t want to offend Xi Jingping by launching an invasion while that is ongoing). March will also be the last window of opportunity because they will presumably want to launch an invasion on cold, hard ground rather than April onwards when it will be more difficult.
Are you saying that a lesser number of troops on the border are an indication that he is not really intending to follow through with it? Think the current build up is circa 130,000 troops stationed just behind the border. Is that your understanding? I don’t know the minimum would have to be to from a military perspective but I think (as far as I have followed) that all of the indicators are suggesting they are poised for an imminent attack based on reliable sources (not based on what the media are touting in the press). Also have to factor that it is likely to be a land, sea and air invasion, not just boots on the ground.
As ever, it is difficult to understand the extent of the media exaggerating it but after the last invasion in 2014 and Crimea, it would be difficult to explain purely as a product of the media talking up the idea. That’s why I mentioned about Putin’s (possible) rationale for it.
whatever Are you saying that a lesser number of troops on the border are an indication that he is not really intending to follow through with it? Think the current build up is circa 130,000 troops stationed just behind the border. Is that your understanding? I don’t know the minimum would have to be to from a military perspective but I think (as far as I have followed) that all of the indicators are suggesting they are poised for an imminent attack based on reliable sources
50% of the personnel on the border are not active troops, they are non-combatants which makes sense as most of the hardware seen near the border consists of communications, logisitcs vehicles and medical.
I think you’ve completely written off Ukrainian forces also, Putin isn’t trying to invade Cambodia. 50k troops would be needed just to protect supply chains, never mind march on Kyiv and oust an Internationally backed sovereign country. There’s zero evidence to suggest an air and sea invasion either, that’s just pure speculation at this point. If there’s one thing we know Putin is no fool, from what I’ve seen this is all just about pushing NATO back from Russia’s borders using some traditional Russian sabre-rattling whilst at the same time pulling an ace out of his sleeve and completing the land grab to Crimea - which is far more logical and plausible than an all out invasion of Ukraine.
I’d be vary wary of any “sources” claiming an all out invasion and their motives for thinking so.
There’s also a fairly plausible theory that all Puting is doing is pressurising the Ukrainian Govt to stop the blockade of the North Crimean Canal which Putin needs for agricultural areas where Russia is currently occupied.
It seems most plausible they troops are there so the west have to come to the “table” and negotiate, which they are doing.
Putin is playing chess to gain some concessions which he will no doubt get.
If the troops weren’t on the border the west wouldn’t be as eager to negotiate
Hursty Is Putin not allowed put his own troops inside his own country close to a border which the Yanks technically de-facto control? I’ve no qualms about the Russians doing that. What’s good for the goose…
You’re right though, Putin will get what he wants because he’s about 25 steps ahead of them all.
Hadn’t heard the angle about the composition of the existing troops. Not sure what to make of it from a military perspective i.e. whether that would be considered normal or an indicator of something else.
Not written off Ukrainian forces at all. I understand that proportionally they have a large army (200k is the number that comes to mind without looking it up).
The point about a land, sea and air invasion was not specifically whether they would do that (you are right it would be speculation as to whether that will happen) rather that Russia have much greater capabilities at their disposal rather than just the number of troops on the border. However you want to slice it though, I think Russia will have an overwhelming advantage. It is not as simple as whether they launch an all-out invasion (as you allude) because equally, Russia will not wish to condemned as a pariah in the international community as a result of using all of their military mite.
Putin will certainly want to portray a win whatever the outcome whether militarily or at the negotiation table. I suspect that If a ground invasion doesn’t happen, we are likely to see a continuation of the usual GRU tactics such as the use of mercenaries like the Wagner Group, disinformation and targeted assassinations.
Agreed completely, it is very much about sabre-rattling and Putin’s agenda to push back on what he sees as NATO encroachment that will potentially draw other surrounding countries to join but ultimately Putin saw the fall of the Soviet Union as catastrophic and his world view is that the overall objective should be to see to the restoration of Russia as leading superpower.
