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BlainSA that’s partially true, but with keto (n=1), i can eat more calories than on a high carb diet and lose more weight. calories in-calories out is a good guide, but it’s not the entire picture

and when it comes to fasting, it’s unquestionably easier for me when my carbs are low, i just don’t get hungry and my blood sugar is significantly more stable. it also depends on how your body processes carbs. i did blood sugar testing for several months (baseline, 1 hr post meal, and 3 hours post meal) and i discovered that i can handle bread significantly better than potatoes, as one example. my wife is the opposite, so it’s never a one size fits all solution or strategy.

      303abuser None of what I’ve said is wrong. The caloric in and out is the overriding factor whether you’re in fat burning mode or not.

      whatever Yes, metabolic changes as a result of fasting do happen. That’s why it’s good to measure your caloric intake to make sure the deficit is not too much and you avoid starvation mode.

            whatever The problem with keto and IF as I see it as they are quite binary – you are either in ketosis or you aren’t and you are either fasting or you aren’t which doesn’t give you much latitude.

            that’s only true at the beginning. it took me a couple of years, but i’m pretty much completely metabolically flexible now. i can get all the energy i need from either carbs or fat, while maintaining my weight. i feel a lot better when i’m keeping carbs under 30 grams/day, but there’s something to be said for enjoying eating and not burning out on a certain diet too. now it’s 5-6 days a week keto and 1-2 where i just don’t worry about it too much and that works because of the volume of exercise i normally do.

                BlainSA for sure. i always try to make sure people understand i’m only talking about my own experience and that everyone can react differently to the same diet/routine. i’ve done a lot of reading and my wife is always on top of this stuff (she’s got a wholistic nutrient certificate along with being a pharmacist), but i’m not an expert.

                  303abuser

                  This is true. I never felt like I was properly fat-adapted or at least not enough to give me the metabolic flexibility and the other benefits associated with it.

                      whatever it took me 3 months to get fat adapted and at least 6 months to become really efficient at using fat for energy. that was with less than 30 grams of carbs/day with no exceptions.

                      • Amps replied to this.

                          Has anyone suggested a good walk yet?

                          If not, I’d like to.

                            Smallman1 this guy has a lot podcasts on the benefits of movement - definitely agree Ed…

                              303abuser less than 30 grams of carbs/day

                              Weak sauce / low T imo, need to be aiming for single digits!!!

                                  Along_the_Wire I train fasted

                                  Millsy isn’t going to like train fasting.

                                  Taking the 18:57 stopper all the way to Southampton without a 6 pack of Staropramen tins and a massive pack of Marks & Spencer’s mini sausage rolls? Can’t see him doing that.

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                                      Saw Kermode again last night on the 1836 from Waterloo. I had a couple of train beers and a beef and onion sub from M&S Food. Not sure what he had but can assume some form of can.

                                      Amps ha i don’t think there’s enough T in the world for that.

                                        mono-stereo
                                        Would ask him to indicate with thumbs rather than drone on smugly for ¾ hour though if I were you

                                          Here’e my mental health hack: Reading about the latest bout of roofing idiocy or piece of clunge-related misfortune to befall Ed Smallman keeps me feeling on top of the world!