zackster Here in the greatest country on earth, a changing room is somewhere you go to change a diaper. You are describing locker rooms. Either way my stance doesn’t change. If a critical mass of women come forward saying that cocks in the showers is an issue then what can we do but listen and react? To my knowledge that hasn’t happened, so what is the big deal?

Well a 2021 YouGov research poll found that 43% of women in the USA thought trans “women” should not be able to use women’s changing rooms (locker rooms), which was more than the 40% of women who thought they should be allowed. So nerrr:

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/2c3z3qlgwu/tabs_Transgender_Issues_20210825[1430].pdf

And anyway, even if it was only a minority of women who were unhappy with such a policy, their right to privacy should surely still take precedent.

    zackster As always, I stand with the real POTUS

    Except on this issue you don’t.

    As I already posted above, which you seem to have ignored, amongst other things:

    “Donald Trump’s government has revoked guidance to US public schools that allowed transgender students to use toilets matching their gender identity.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39047883

        Nearly 100% of men over the age of 40 on the forum want cocks out of the ladies bog, so who am I to stand in your way? Start policing those lady’s rooms, boys!

          zackster I am a tad surprised that a frequent patron of Berghain is this concerned about gender distinctions in bathrooms.

          BH is BH. It’s distinct from say a gym or a swimming pool. The people that go there won’t have the same expectations and necessarily be the same people.

          Someone going to BH should be aware of, and ok with, the likelihood of there being a bunch of naked people inside. If not then they shouldn’t be there.

          But I don’t think many women just wanting to get changed and shower at the gym, or mothers taking their daughters to the swimming pool, would be as relaxed about there being people with cocks out where they are.

          By a similar token, just because some people take ecstasy, get naked and dance to loud techno in BH, you surely wouldn’t also advocate for that to be allowed in cafes, libraries, schools, churches and hospitals etc.

           

            Along_the_Wire because I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer. It’s a mess.

            That’s a cop-out on the specific issue being discussed. You (and your wife) would think it is acceptable if “Anne” Coombes above just waltzes in to the women’s swimming pool changing room while your wife is using the shower?

                Along_the_Wire your sarcasm detector is broken, Hugo

                I think it’s more that zacko’s brain is glitching out and he can’t string a coherent thought together.

                  Hugo talking sense on this matter, it pains me to say.

                  Nightclubs are over 18 venues. There are not children using the facilities.

                  This is NONCE SENSE!

                  Just wait until one of those trans woman lays a massive fucking cable in the ladies on a Friday morning. Guarantee the Doris fraternity will change their tune and want segregation.

                    hugopal it’s not a cop out at all, it’s far more nuanced than that and I’m just not sure what the answer is - it’s a fucking mess. To be honest, I’d rather not converse with you on any subject if that’s okay?

                        Again, the forum has clearly voted on this matter. Now its time to take ACTION! Become the enforcement mechanism lads. You must protect our ladies!

                        First things first, I couldn’t give a fuck what anyone wants to be or call themselves.

                        I take my youngest one to swimming lessons each Saturday. He’s 3 so can’t actually swim on his own so I get in with him and therefore you get a ton of hungover, miserable, dads who are pussy whipped to high hell getting changed together in the gents when they would all much rather be doing what they used to.

                        Why this tedious anecdote is relevant is that about 6 months ago a fully grown woman came into the gents to dress her son (was about 4) whilst all the gents were in and out of the shower.

                        A few things to note:

                        1. It was weird as fuck and it defo made me feel uncomfortable. All the blokes were like looking at each other bemused and you could see multiple just stopped getting dressed etc.

                        2. One of the blokes in the changing room pissed himself and made a snarky sexist comment and another few laughed which made matters worse.

                        3. A few wives who were outside the changing room were not happy and voiced their opinion to the woman on exit and a few choice words were said. Wasn’t great.

                        So my take on this ridiculous subject is having first hand experience of a woman enter a blokes room caused a right old scene on a Saturday afternoon then you are asking for a bucket load of shit if this became the norm. Yes not everyone is a perv but Christ on a bike if you think there wouldn’t be millions of issues on week one your completed deluded.

                        I couldn’t even begin to imagine sending my older kids to swimming lessons with the public there with no adult supervision. Again, not everyone is a perv but Jesus H there would be all sorts happening.

                        Along_the_Wire it’s far more nuanced than that and I’m just not sure what the answer is

                        If there’s so much “nuance” then I’m sure you could come up with plenty of good reasons why someone like “Anne” above should be allowed to just waltz in to the woman’s changing room at a swimming pool, get their cock out and join the ladies taking showers.

                            Anne isn’t the mean case for someone who is trans, hugo.

                              Ian Cheong…. David, I am disappointed in you.

                              zackster what, so you’re somehow just going to allow people who are the “mean case” for a trans woman in to the women’s showers? What even is the “mean case” for a trans woman - they have just half their dick lopped off?

                              The average trans woman in Canada at least is 43.3 years old btw. And as I’ve already pointed out above the majority of trans women are still attracted to women.

                              https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220427/dq220427b-eng.htm

                              Here are some more “cases”, courtesy of “Anne”, posing with some of her friends (Anne is second from the left; second from right is Hannu in a wig?) - what a delightful, well adjusted bunch of women they seem. And I’m sure they look even more pleasant when naked and dripping in the women’s showers!