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It is so insane that the Dems are going to once again run the one person whole is uniquely positioned to lose to Trump. If they ran Chillary this go round she’d win handily. Instead we have a senile liar who has become the face of a genocide.

    zackster How does Hilary beat Trump? Lost in 2016 and has been out of the public eye since

        alistair several reasons why I think she’d win.

        1. Joe is the lest popular president in the past 40 years.
        2. There is a reasonable contingent of people who voted for Don as a laugh in 2016. I think those people would come out for Hill-Dawg now.
        3. She would be SO much better on abortion messaging, which is the only thing the Dems have right now.
        4. Even though she would be just as bad on Palestine as Joe is she would have the ability to run with the message of being removed from it.

          Why don’t the Democraps just get some new politicians like other parties do?

            bosstrabs They used to be really good at this. The people themselves were dog shit, of course, but at least they gave their base the illusion of progress. Everything changed after the Obungler won. His burring the hatchet with the Clintons certainly contributed to the stagnation. The real set back was when he convinced everyone, except Liz Warren, to drop out and back Joe so that they could once again prevent Bernie from becoming the nominee.

              I’d wager he’s still running the show now - Biden certainly isn’t

                Old-Dutch its certainly possible. I personally don’t think he is the puppet master that some others do. I genuinely think he just wants to operate in the world he’s built for himself, ie do a shitty podcast with Bruce Springsteen and host parties for Beyonce. The careerists that were birthed off of his terms are the ones that I blame for the desire to maintain the statusquo, but ultimately it doesn’t matter. The Democrats have a fundamental problem. They do not want to give their base the things they want most. It would go against their own interests to fight for healthcare, Wall Street reform, and endless war funding. It’s why I believe they are happy to lose elections, or at the very least lose control of one lever of government. It’s easier for them to fundraise when they can say oooh I’d absolutely give you healthcare, but we just don’t have the power to do so right now. Obama doing nothing, out side of passing a Republican healthcare reform bill, with his super majority was a real wakeup call for my generation and the Dems have still yet to deal with it in a meaningful way.

                    This is going to be a wild election. It’s genuinely farcical to have Trump and Biden as the choices for the electorate. What a time to be alive.

                    The wheels are coming off in general - which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. People are starting to realise the shit show they have on offer and how whatever happens they are being fucked over to pay for it all.

                    Can’t say things are any better in the UK to be honest.

                    Viva la revolution.

                    But Trump is nailed on, lol.

                    Intrigued to see what impact RFK.has on the election.

                    I am still not so sure. The state level Repubs are doing all sorts of shit with their new found abilities to restrict access to abortion which is causing nightmares for Trump on the national level. Arizona is a state he needs and they just passed some stupid legislation that he was begging them not to. However, he isn’t cooked either. No one gives a shit about his court cases, Israel is a millstone around Joe’s neck, and voter turnout will probably be at a historic low.

                      zackster No one gives a shit about his court cases,

                      I think they actually do but not in the way they were hoping they would. The cases are clearly happening at a time to maximise the imapct on Trump’s ability to run a campaign for the election. They had years to bring and hold these cases, it’s no coincidence it’s all being done now and people aren’t stupid enough to fall for it. It’s all backfiring massively.

                      When this is supposed to be news you know how badly you’re fucked as a nation :

                        Americans being whoppers is still news?

                        More rational balanced news:

                        To be honest Fox are probably as bad, truth be told. But this is why legacy media needs to die and people are now turning away in their droves

                        Trump must be prosecuted for holding classified documents in his possession (taken whilst he was President and he claims to exonerate him for when the US declares war on Iran - who knows?).

                        Biden has classified documents in his possession from when he was Vice-President, but shouldn’t face prosecution because he’s a senile old man who won’t remember - whilst running to be President again for the next term: https://news.sky.com/story/joe-biden-wilfully-disclosed-classified-materials-but-president-not-charged-after-portraying-himself-as-elderly-man-special-counsel-says-13067069

                        The whole thing is nothing but theatre. Whilst Trump is all over the front pages for his court case with hush money for Stormy Daniels, Congrss pass another bill for $61b of US taxpayers’ money to Ukraine (the last big payment passed during the Superbowl ginal - lol)

                        The kickback of which eventually comes back to the likes of Blackrock & Vanguard, who are now essentially thr owners of Ukrainian infrastructure.

                        The whole system is rotten to the core and for all his faults, you can see why people want to vote for someone who calls a lot of the shit out - he’s not the right person in my opinion, but I can see why he’s appealing to people

                        Us taxpayer pays for it all to end up in private hands.

                        In summay, I’ll leave the final word the the current POTUS:

                        Obummer making Joe relevant sucks so much.

                        Make no mistake, Donald Trump becoming Resident of the USA is beyond parody. You have to ask yourself how and why it happened in the first place - an electorate fed up by the same old shit on offer, being told how lucky they are to have it so good, whilst realising their quality of life is on a downward trajectory.

                        Banks get bailed out and the same regulators - completely complicit with the meltdown in the first place, are reappointed, whilst the taxpayer gets left to pick up the pieces. Public debts, private profits

                        How many in the US think Obama is the first gay president and married to a trans bloke, Zack?