The General Covid19 Thread

Old-Dutch

When you consider the medical impact Covid has had on the world in terms of infections, deaths, long-term health effects (still unlikely to know anywhere like the full extent of this).

Then think about the effects on the economy, jobs, livlihoods, people’s businesses.

Then consider the mental health effects that it has caused. People losing loved ones, pressures of lockdown, unemployment etc.

The impact on schooling and education on our children.

This is being felt all over the world. In almost every country. I think the concept of vaccine passports is a good thing if countries can protect themselves when we get out of this mess. Why expose your country to the risk of this again because someone doesn’t want to take a vaccine? Every country will have their own populations who refuse the vaccine and you run the risk of these people all getting ill / spreading the virus again if it gets back into your borders.

People have a choice - nobody needs to travel anywhere for a holiday.

hugopal

Old-Dutch People have a choice - nobody needs to travel anywhere for a holiday.

That’s easy to say when you actually have the choice; you don’t get that choice when your ability to leave is taken away from you subject to government whims.

It doesn’t necessarily stop at just holidays either - they could prevent people going abroad to study or for work with the same excuses.

I bet you’d have loved the DDR.

bosstrabs

You can just stay at home and pretend to drive somewhere

hugopal

Along_the_Wire All restrictions are due to be lifted in the UK on the 21st June

Not true - that UK government document seems to leave open the possibility that venues can open, but only allow people in who either have proof of a vaccine or who have a negative test done on the door. How practical would it be for clubs to have to be constantly running covid tests on the door and making people wait in a second queue for a further 15+ minutes until the result is processed.

Along_the_Wire if they get shut down for a couple of weeks with every outbreak, their business will be fucked.

Could be.

It’s especially nuts as people going to clubs, bars, concerts and other such venues are generally not going to be at risk at all.

Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated there are zero decent excuses left whatsoever as to why restrictions shouldn’t be lifted in their entirety for everyone else.

Along_the_Wire

hugopal Not true

What’s not true? The fourth step from 21 June will potentially see all legal limits on social contact removed, with the final closed sectors of the economy reopened - such as nightclubs.

hugopal

bosstrabs socially distanced mask-wearing pub bants only.

alistair

I am not alright with vaccine passports for domestic use, travel and access and the government should legislate against that not leave it open to interpretation. It’s unfair, unethical and against civil liberties. It’s wrong and it won’t be the affluent middle classes like me that suffer most. As for travelling abroad, if that’s what other countries demand, so be it. Every age group across Europe will need be vaccinated first before they unpack that and they will also need to offer a sensible solution where children are concerned for family holidays. Travel and hospitality companies are on their knees so it’s in everyones interest come up with a fair, practical solution.

Mad_Cyril

alistair It’s unfair, unethical and against civil liberties. It’s wrong and it won’t be the affluent middle classes like me that suffer most

Why is it unfair, unethical etc? I’ve yet to hear a convincing argument.

Why would less well of people suffer directly because of vaccine passports?

alistair Travel and hospitality companies are on their knees so it’s in everyones interest come up with a fair, practical solution

Why?

It’s in everyone’s interest to shut down the virus. I think that’s a priority over sustaining private companies. Travel agents are businesses subject to market forces, the world has changed and they’ve been impacted - unfortunately that’s life.

Old-Dutch

You do have a choice. Take the vaccination that is being offered to you for free or not. If a country doesn’t want you without having taken a vaccine then that’s the deal

If not taking it comes with caveats then that’s up to you.

hugopal

Old-Dutch once the vulnerable have been vaccinated, what are the grounds for restricting the lives of everyone else (regardless whether they want the vaccine or not)?

hugopal

Along_the_Wire potentially

Key word there.

Also, the government can allow nightclubs to open on that date, but still require it only allow in people in to the “open” nightclub with either a vaccination certificate or a negative test done on the door. The document does not rule this out and the general noises from the government point in this direction.

I reckon it’s likely that this will be the initial policy in the UK, however damaging and impractical it is.

Old-Dutch

hugopal

Clearly only vulnerable people get and die from COVID. Lockdown has always been a preventative strategy to slow the spread of infection until rates dropped to a level where it felt that we could open up again. And look what happened as soon as we did.

The only way out of lockdown was the vaccine. It will be interesting to see the impact of schools going back has.

Along_the_Wire

hugopal you said ‘not true’ though as if that won’t happen.

Along_the_Wire

hugopal The document does not rule this out

It doesn’t rule out that I’m a cunt either. What a ridiculous thing to say.

hugopal

Along_the_Wire it isn’t true that all restrictions are due to be lifted, because as I have pointed out there are actually allowances for some to still be in place.

hugopal

Along_the_Wire hmm, have a read of this article:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-will-life-look-like-after-21-June

Particularly the below quoted paragraph.

And keep in mind that James Forsyth’s wife, Allegra Stratton, is Boris Johnson’s Press Secretary…

“The second thing that will determine how normal life feels is the use of ‘Covid status certification’. This is whether you might have to produce proof of vaccination or a negative test to do things in this country. Johnson is instinctively uncomfortable with the idea. But some such arrangement is increasingly seen as almost inevitable — how else could you reopen a nightclub safely? The view in Whitehall is that the government is unlikely to ban venues from using such schemes but will want them to use Covid testing rather than rely exclusively on so-called vaccine passports, which discriminate against those unable to have the jab for any reason.”

Along_the_Wire

hugopal And then you guff on about what may happen as it hasn’t been ruled out. Potentially all restrictions will be lifted, that’s the wording, so to say categorically that’s not true is just bollocks. Of course there may be other restriction that may, or may not be ruled out, but they aren’t visible yet.

Along_the_Wire

hugopal It’s an opinion piece, Hugo. They may happen, it may not. If things go to plan, potentially all restrictions will be lifted. If they don’t, there will be restriction. Making up restrictions doesn’t mean they will happen.

And a fucking LOL for Alistair upvoting a quote from his political porn mag.

alistair

Along_the_Wire They have certainly got their finger on the pulse of this 80 seat majority government and that’s what matters here. Spying on upvotes…😂

hugopal

Along_the_Wire It’s an opinion piece, Hugo.

An opinion piece? The guy’s wife is Boris Johnson’s Press Secretary! How dense are you Grant?

Based on the article and having read similar from his articles in the past, it’s most likely just paving the way for what will happen. At best, some of it will be testing the waters for something which is likely but has not yet been completely decided.

Also, this bit is not a statement of opinion: “some such arrangement is increasingly seen as almost inevitable”

Along_the_Wire They may happen, it may not

I’ll quote it again as you’ve shown time and again on here that your reading comprehension isn’t that good:

“some such arrangement is increasingly seen as almost inevitable”.

Old-Dutch

And “people who aren’t able to have the jab for whatever reason” have a responsibility to themselves.

I know people who are saying they won’t take the vaccine. I’m alright Jack, I’ll just let everyone else do it so it’s safe for me

Along_the_Wire

alistair Spying on upvotes

I was checking if I was right. I was.

Along_the_Wire

hugopal An opinion piece? The guy’s wife is Boris Johnson’s Press Secretary! How dense are you Grant?

I’m not dense at all. I don’t give a fuck about a Spectator article whether there are elements of truth in it or not. The fact are that if things go to plan, all restrictions will be lifted, if they don’t, absolutely fucking anything can happen and any hypothesis from here is largely made up.

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