Truss (general uk sucks thread)
Along_the_Wire I’d imagine the choice the will be taken out of our hands for international travel regardless of what the UK does.
Yes, I’d imagine this is likely. Countries and even airlines refusing to take/carry the non-vaccinated.
Or at the very least huge inconvenience that you can walk straight into a country if vaccinated but are forced to do quarantine if not vaccinated.
alistair actually elicits some sympathy for Hancock!
Morgan is a bottom feeder of the worst kind, but I’m not sure I would go as far as that. Virtually nobody else has held them accountable to any great degree, and they’ll be looking to white wash the record with the ‘vaccine success’ over the next few years, we’ll need more of Morgan in the coming years. Amazing, and repulsive, but true.
alistair I wouldn’t subject myself to that every week no matter how much I was being paid.
Ministers aren’t paid that much, around £140,000 isn’t it? That’s about a CEO salary for a UK SME:
https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/chief-executive-salary-SRCH_KO0,15.htm
To be honest I wouldn’t want that job full stop. Being minister of state for a large government department is easily chief executive levels of pressure and hours, but with greater public visibility/scrutiny, added to that people who will viscerally hate you because of your party allegiance.
Plus there’s no way you can let your guard down e.g. a heavy night out with the lads or a weekend with a couple of brasses, because the media are lurking.
bosstrabs To be honest I wouldn’t want that job full stop. Being minister of state for a large government department is easily chief executive levels of pressure and hours, but with greater public visibility/scrutiny, added to that people who will viscerally hate you because of your party allegiance.
They fuckin love it though, power mad psychos the lot of them. I wouldn’t want it either, but they proper buzz off it.
Amps I don’t think it’s too far out to envisage a scenario in future whereby the government claims to have discovered a possible new dangerous strain of covid which requires everyone to get a booster jab and have it on their card, but then ensures that say those in opposition voting areas are slower in getting the vaccine.
Or a step beyond that, even declaring that persona non grata individuals should be put at the bottom of priority lists.
Perhaps once they’ve introduced such cards for the initial claimed purpose of showing covid immunity, they might suddenly decide to start adding additional information to them.
I’m not saying that it’s def going to happen, but it is bringing up the possibility of something similar to the CCP’s system developing.
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Along_the_Wire it’s not even to do with wanting the vaccine or not, it’s about the principal of potentially permanently enforcing certain things to be off limits for those who haven’t had it, even when them needing it is unnecessary. Then the additional issue of it being formalised in a system which has the possibility of being expanded in to additional undesirable avenues and unfairly and expediently controlling the population with.
You could well be right that international travel might force some people’s arm when it comes to the vaccine, certainly in the near future while the virus isn’t perceived to be more subdued. However, governments already are and will be in conversations with each other about the extent to which they consider such things will be necessary or not going forwards and whether they will need to be in perpetuity. Airlines will also be part of the discussion.
It might end up being permanently aligned with, or in addition to, say current travel visa requirements - perhaps people from certain, say developed, countries might be allowed to fly to others without need for one (have a so-called “safe travel corridor” enforfed) , but other countries might be closed off.
The goalposts of which people could fly where and when might be more easily to move and restrict in future once such a system has been established, whether for political reasons in disputes with other countries, to restrict the ability of certain or all people to leave their country, or generally to reduce the level of global travel.
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There should be a vaccine passport for going abroad. There shouldn’t be one for going to the pub/shops in the UK.
There is no way you can shut out of society a significant number of people with disabilities/medical exemptions or even the large number of BAME that won’t take one. I also remain to be convinced about children being vaccinated until we know more. I wasn’t a fan of ID cards when they were first mooted either for civil liberties reasons.
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alistair There should be a vaccine passport for going abroad. Period.
As previously pointed out that may not even be the UK’s choice.
Thailand (for example), may unilaterally decide they are shutting out the unvaccinated. Their tourist income takes a hit, but not that much as they’re popular with all sorts of tourists anyway, from the moneyed Chinese to the British family to the Scandi backpacker who looks like Erling Haaland in search of ‘crazy party girlssh’. All of whom would rather enjoy themselves in a COVID-free pleasureland. Not advocating that, but you can see such things happening.
There should be an armband for everyone that shows whether they’ve been vaccinated, whether they voted leave or remain, and their overall bantz score so you can gauge how you approach conversation. It’s the only way we can get back to the NEW NORMAL imo.
Bantz score must be dynamically updating, which is more than possible with current tech.
Like if you just walked away from a total gammon with no bants except ‘Paki jokes’ you can hit him with a 2-star rating as soon as he walks out the boozer.
(he does get a couple of stars because his ‘Did you hear about the Pakistani opticians that burned down? Asif Eyecare’ joke was at least good)
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bosstrabs long-term it might not be a good idea for a country like Thailand to unilaterally require covid passports, as you say it could massively hit their tourist income. They might allow people from wealthy countries where it is perceived to be under control to arrive with little issue, but restrict entry from places that are still hotspots.
It might not stop a government wanting to prevent its citizens from traveling to Thailand though.
The whole thing could get very messy and lead to some contentious political negotiations.
Boss.
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The state of this. Miliband, Disraeli, Howard. What do they have in common? Still got the blind spot
Tories, as usual, see no value in anything, other than it’s cash value.
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Sir Keir must be FEWMIN. 
Bet Corbyn’s having a giggle
alistair I think that’s more to do with Brexit than the competency of this government. They got it done, didn’t they? The racist thicket shall inherit the earth.
Every single member of this government is a complete selfish, greedy fucking cunt
Oh, and the vaccine. They’ve done really well there - certainly makes up for one of the world’s highest death rates.