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Old-Dutch

Why would you consider anything anyone says on social media as true?

    Trump really is a petulant overgrown man baby. Incredibly stupid, incredibly dangerous.

    I can just see a head of state saying “Will you pwease pwotect us, Mr Pwesident, Putin is bad man”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/11/donald-trump-says-he-would-encourage-russia-to-attack-nato-countries-who-dont-pay-bills

    On Saturday, Trump claimed that during an unspecified Nato meeting he told a fellow head of state that the US under his leadership would not defend any countries who were “delinquent”.

    “One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay, and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’” Trump said, adding “I said, ‘You didn’t pay, you’re delinquent?

    “No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills."

      US media must’ve made a shit ton of money from the Trump outrage of 2016-2020 to be this desperate for him to win.

        ehitach2 clearly the way he says these things are dangerous and stupid, but he does have a point in there. He has always said NATO countries need to pay their way, and I agree with that. Maybe some countries need the threat by Trump to do something

            RichM
            A classic case of picking out the sensational bits and leaving them dangling for the chimps to feed on.

            He’s still a massive cunt though, Don that is!

                Homegrove idk how anyone can take the Times seriously after all of the blatant lies the published for Israel

                  RichM

                  NATO doesn’t have bills though and the defence expenditure amounts are a percentage guideline against GDP, or something like that. It’s not like USA is somehow ’paying it’s way’ with more into the NATO kitty, it just spends more on military than most other members as a percentage of GDP. That’s my understanding.

                  Anyway, it’s a military alliance which provides it’s own strengths and Trump is just completely and publicly undermining it. I mean he could have said he is totally committed to it and would absolutely stand by it’s alliance members under any threat.

                  Presumably he could ask others to work in the background to try and raise other states defence spending if that’s a problem. They’ll likely have to do that anyway, if they’ve any sense and cash to do so. This is because of Putin’s actions and not Trumps. Trump is just doing Putin’s work for him by undermining NATO, the stupid bellend.

                  Anyway, it’s exhausting and I didn’t like having to type ‘members’ even once.

                      ehitach2 I believe it was agreed that NATO members should contribute 2% of GDP, and a fair few countries are way below that. Hence why Trump hasn’t been happy with countries relying on the US spending.

                        ehitach2 I didn’t like having to type ‘members’ even once.

                        Some sort of suppressed trauma?

                            Mad_Cyril

                            I suddenly remembered how my old percussion teacher used to toss me off in time to the metronome. Might explain why I’ve tended to go for higher bpms in my music choices.

                                zackster Why does NATO still exist? The USSR is no more. It should be dissolved immediately

                                Why does Cankings still take his anti-psychotic meds? His murderous thoughts are no more. He should stop immediately.

                                    zackster

                                    I don’t know. It was a guess.

                                    On reflection, it’s a fundamental flaw in my analogy in response to your daft question around the existence of NATO. Soz.

                                        Nothing daft about asking why my tax dollars fund an organization founded with the purpose of defending against attacks from Germany and The USSR.