Your favourite year of clubbing

Mad_Cyril

Amps
Ita a genuine concern, may need to buy a few refugees to produce, turn two negatives into a positive.

His xReg’s is off the charts.

bosstrabs

What’s this xReg metric MC and how is it calculated?

I’m familiar with regpp, of course, and Smallman’s is off the charts.

Mad_Cyril

Expected Regs (xReg) measures the quality of a post based on several variables such as context, quality, accuracy, bantz, and how much of an opportunity was missed to add value to a discussion.

XReg can be used to help define the frequency with which a poster is likely to be a massive remwand.

Dan

bosstrabs Ed eats a pot noodle with chopsticks.

Tru fax

-si-

jonattonyeah We don’t have anything like that until you turn 21 sadly. Actually, Twilo was 18+ but that’s the only one I can think of.

How did that work, j? Thought you folks all had to wait until 21 to get into licensed premises?

bosstrabs

-si- How did that work, j? Thought you folks all had to wait until 21 to get into licensed premises?

You can get in to rock concerts in indoor venues at 18, but not get served at the bar until 21.

Assume Twilo must have been the same.

jonattonyeah

-si-

It depends on alcohol sales. If a club wasn’t selling booze they could do 18+. That was VERY rare as how else is the place supposed to make money? I’m not entirely sure about Twilo but they might’ve had a grandfathered-in license; some places are allowed to operate outside of modern statutes if they’ve been around before the statutes were implemented. One the liquor license transfers hands, you have to adhere to current standards. But if you’re in continuous operation for like 100 years you’re good to go - no wheelchair ramps or 21+ requirements. It’s a precarious position to be in as you still can get sued in certain circumstances, just not by the government.

Now the places I was going as a kid back in 1997 were all warehouses. Not legal in any way. This one place in Oakland had the floor cave in. They used to do rooms on both floors. Lucky that night it was just the top floor so nobody was killed. And then there’s Ghost Ship a few years back. I was working at the bar that night. Crazy busy. Left around 4:00 AM and the smell in the air was just so odd. Found out the next day Ghost Ship and burned to the ground and 30 whatever people were killed, 2 of whom I somewhat knew. The underground dance music scene has never recovered and likely never will.

EDIT here’s a nice little track from one of the people who passed.

Kells77

-si- C’mon man…fake IDs! Although saying that, I have always had a baby face and wasn’t ever able to pass myself off as older lol. I got in as Dave mentioned with huge X’s on my hands so the bartender wouldn’t serve me. So you get your older friends to buy for you 🙂

Edited to add that as JTY mentioned, raves didn’t card people….whether at a warehouse or open field, no one cared how old you were or what you were doing as long as you weren’t in their way or OD’ing.

-si-

bosstrabs

Ah ok, ta for that, dave!

-si-

Lol at the turn this thread has taken since my twilo question!

bosstrabs

Well, it seems I’m wrong there.

My understanding was that indoor venues would admit anyone over the age of 18 for concerts (‘shows’) as that is the age of adult responsibility, but in practical terms most places just made access over 21 as that was the age you could legally drink at (making monitoring and control of patrons easier). My error.

Kells77

bosstrabs I think it depends on local laws. In St. Louis, you could get into a show at 18, even if they were serving alcohol, but you had to be sufficiently identified as underage, so they’d put these huge black or red X’s on the backs of your hands in permanent marker. That shit didn’t come off for days lol

jonattonyeah

bosstrabs

You’re not wrong, it’s just stupefyingly complicated. If you have a “stage” your eligible for different rules. Whoever decides what a stage is….god only knows. If you have seats available, different eligibility. Some licenses require you to have your revenue be 51% food rather than booze to allow <18’s. It really depends on what license you bought or are eligible or willing to pay for. If you’re buying a club, it’s just easier to stick with >21. It’s arcane and in place as a default tax on businesses.

And here in California you have the ABC. Alcohol Beverage Control. They’re police but they’re police who usually fucked up - beat somebody up on camera or something - so they get stuck with ABC duty. That means they’re absolute cunts of the highest order, bitter, and a complete pain. Best to steer clear of them as much as you can. Keeping it >21 is just easier. This one spot whose owners I know was messing about too much - people hanging out well past closing, smoking cigarettes outside after-hours. ABC mobbed in there specifically on a Friday night, cuffed everyone (which they can do) and arrested the manager so that he’d be stuck in the clink until the courts opened on Monday. Bell. Ends.

Old-Dutch

Kells77 they used to do something similar on Epstein’s island too, so I’m told

bosstrabs

Mad_Cyril I see you’ve already added a dynamically updating column to the spreadsheet, bleeding edge stuff.

Kells77

Old-Dutch Hahaha….except there it was a green light, instead of a red light

Mad_Cyril

bosstrabs
Been on a course at the library.

You don’t think it’s a bit ‘showy’ do you?

LT42

Summer of 93 was pretty special, rooms full to the brim with pill heads…

Dan

LT42 Excellent choices

bosstrabs

jonattonyeah I have American relatives and have spent time in both countries, yet people’s eyes pop out of their head when I tell them in some ways China is more free than the US.

Obviously, getting caught dealing drugs is a big problem to the dealer: he will be shot. Possession, you will get banged up or deported.

Drinking on the other hand is way, way nicer than in the States. If you’re with a family who has a 14 year old kid and they decide he can have a beer with dinner, he can have a beer with dinner. Absolutely nobody gives a fuck. I can buy a shitty lager like a Heineken in any coffee shop and even some branches of KFC. And, most importantly, if you and a bunch of friends are still in a bar and want to carry on drinking, and the owner wants to carry on serving, you can sit there till 7am and carry on regardless (so long as you don’t disturb the neighbours). And also: if you’re having a gathering and it’s 3am, a 7-eleven might not be open but the local 24:7 noodle shop will sell you 24 straight from the fridge to take up to your apartment. It’s extremely civilised compared to the weird puritanical US.

303abuser

jonattonyeah yeah fair enough. helps if you live in a proper city too.

Along_the_Wire

bosstrabs I think I’ve found it tricker to find places that don’t sell booze 24/7 in the US.

jonattonyeah

bosstrabs

Yeah the rules are arbitrary and mostly idiotic. Where we don’t muck about is with over-serving as we can be liable if somebody fucks off, drives home, and murders a family in a drunk driving accident. If they can show we served them too much, it’s on us. I’ve paid for far too people’s taxi rides home. People I don’t even know other than pouring them a pint (people smashing through flasks in the bathroom is tough to monitor and you can’t always tell they’re hammered, if it’s busy, until they stand up).

California is okay for the most part. As long as you don’t act a fool with the ABC. But in other parts of the States, places with dry counties where right as you cross the county line there’s 400 liquor stores, are just dumb about it.

And then there’s New Orleans were you can get a daiquiri at a drive-through as long as the paper part of the straw is still on. If I lived there I’d be dead already.

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