Not disagreeing with the service being underfunded, but at the same time it should be operating in a way that shit like this isn’t happening. It would certainly strengthen their hand when it came to asking for more funding.
NHS pay rises
Agreed, but unfortunately the sun could shine from their hoop and the Tories would still see it as an asset to be stripped and sold. If they’re willing to sell our national grid they’ll be stiff and salivating at the thought of selling the NHS.
To those who believe that the Tories have underfunded the NHS: how do you know that? As in, how can you tell it’s underfunded? Upon what empirical or theoretical basis have you reached that conclusion? I thought we had the best health service in the world, no?
And what would be an appropriate level of funding? are we talking like 10% more? 50%? Double? Do we literally just keep throwing money at it until they finally say “enough! We’re sorted now thanks!”
And would I also be correct in presuming you also take the view that teachers, policemen and prison wardens are all chronically underpaid as well, slogging their lives away in appallingly underfunded institutions? And state benefits are too low as well yeah? All because Boris Johnson and his ilk refuse to tax the global elite?
Fucking hell. You’re dreaming lads.
Old-Dutch When you are an organisation being funded by the taxpayer and you are always claiming that you are being underfunded, you should be looking at yourself and your practices to see if there is wastage. Any organisation that can write off hundreds of millions of pounds and at the same time say they are underfunded needs to have a shake up
That’s the problem in a nutshell, isn’t it. If a private business does that it goes under and a more professional outfit fills it’s shoes. If the public sector wastes hundreds of millions you get loads of idiots claiming their precious public services are underfunded!
Cj not too far away with both posts there. Hard to argue with either.
alistair the median public sector wage outstripped that of the private sector
Once again, not the UK, but here the high-end directors and physicians make far less than they would in the private sector. But those on the lower end - social workers, LVNs, support staff - make much more than their non-profit or private counterparts. Take that for what it is, I guess.
alistair evidence please.
The final salary pension schemes in the public sector finished soon after the private sector wrapped theirs up.
alistair class warriors
And a LOL for this utter tripe - you’re on fire today.
The career averaged schemes that replaced the old defined benefit schemes are still a lot better than the defined contribution schemes that a lot of private sector firms offer, never mind some of the absolutely pish auto-enrolment schemes that a lot of unfortunate people are made to contribute to.
Along_the_Wire according to the ONS the average public sector earnings premium was 7% in 2019 and has declined from 10% at the start of the last decade.
I’m glad that gap is shrinking rather than growing but to be honest I don’t have a massive problem with there being a smallish premium as long as it’s contained and I think it’s unavoidable to some extent. I’d be more concerned about trying to figure out how to reduce waste and expenditure on inefficient or non-essential shite so that more money could be spent on improving educational standards or boosting the take-home pay of people grafting 60hr weeks on minimum wage. Osbourne’s living wage reform in the 2015 budget was one of the truly great political reforms of recent times and very few people give him or his party any credit for that.
I was wrong. A lot is completely free in Finland.
C_J This includes low skilled workers which the public sector has very little of as that will have been outsourced to private companies. And why does a private business need to make a menial job look attractive by offering an enhanced pension package?
Why anyone would deny anyone else the right to a decent salary and package that reflects their qualifications, the work they do and the risk they take, is beyond me. The public sector aren’t the fucking scroungers the right would like you to think.
Along_the_Wire This includes low skilled workers which the public sector has very little of as that will have been outsourced to private companies
Nope. They have controlled for this in order to compare like with like. There’s no getting away from the fact that public sector get paid more for the same work because there’s no bankruptcy risk. There’s nothing you can do about this as long as it doesn’t spiral out of control.
C_J I read the article before I posted earlier. We aren’t talking about the unskilled workforce here, are we? We’re talking about people with professional qualifications and specific skill sets.
Apologies for going all Hugo (without the racism):
The final paragraph in section 2:
“Our analysis shows that the modelled average public sector earnings premium based on gross pay including overtime pay and bonuses is higher for private sector employees in upper-middle and upper-skill groups in medium-sized firms, large firms and very large firms than for public sector employees. We also found that the modelled average public sector earnings premium is mainly concentrated among low-skilled workers, while high-skilled employees in the public sector tend to have lower earnings than employees in the private sector employed in the knowledge-intensive services and primary sectors. Further, public sector workers have positive earnings premiums over their counterparts working in the less knowledge-intensive sectors in the private sector.”
And if you want to compare lower-skilled workers, the public sector are paying £13.62 an hour on average and the private sector £11.24. The shame is on the private sector here. Fuck putting the boot into public sector earnings when we’re talking about £13.62 an hour.